Gun show Orange Crusher

gelandangan · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:19 am Post subject: Gun show Orange Crusher

Went to the gun show today and bought me a "new old stock" Lyman Orange Crushe for $120r.
I think it is the newer type with 7/14x20 thread directly on the press.
I believe the older type have BMG thread and an adapter is scewed in to use standard dies.

I am planning to make swage dies to modify some factory jacketed projectile to suit my need, and the press is to be used as a swage press.

I got a choice between this one or a couple of RCBS Rockchucker.
Choosing between them, I thought the orange crusher have larger "working area" and a tiny bit more robust.
I hope I pick the right one.

slimjim · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

gelandangan, doesn't sound like you can go wrong either way. I wasn't expecting to hear that Austrailia has gun shows with all their other firearm restrictions.

chambered221 · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Care to go into a little more detail about what your doing and why ???

gelandangan · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Slim, we still got a few very limited gun shows here.
Mostly it is a gathering of 20 or so odds and ends sellers, sorta like flea market type.
Most guns on show are moth eaten rusty guns with a very small proportion of new stuff vendors showing their new products.
Its pathetic, but its all we got.

Chambered, I am experimenting to built a better mouse trap.
I want to make a very heavy rebated boat tail jacketed projectile with huge gaping HP for my whisper.
And, if possible, I would like to try my hand into swaging 22 cal proj with 22lr case as jacket.
Others have done this I know, but I have not.

Well, it is a want, not a need..
In any case, I got a nice and sturdy press that hopefully will serve me for a long long time.

slimjim · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

gelandangan, you appear to be a cornerstone in the foundation that is preserving the firearm tradition in Australia. Make sure you pass it on!

gelandangan · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

slimjim wrote:

gelandangan, you appear to be a cornerstone in the foundation that is preserving the firearm tradition in Australia. Make sure you pass it on!

Slim, I am unsure as to what you meant by the above words.
Like most firearms in Australia now a days, I am an "import" model, so traditions on my part is less than the time I spend here.

chambered221 · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Would I be correct to think this has more to do with internal rather than exterior ballistics ???
I'm assuming that a long range trajectory isn't the focus.

If so why not just use a flat base bullet ???

Sounds very interesting please allow use to follow when you start your development.......unless your going to patent your work I'll understand !!!

gelandangan · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Hi Chambered,
it is actually external ballistic I am looking at.

I want to achieve something like this Lapua Subsonic projectile,

or from some Finland experimenters notes

but with a large gaping hollow point, instead of sharp point.

This is the air flow that I want to achieve is the one on right

you can see that the cone at the back actually create less turbulance and thus effect to the stability in long distance.

Corbon made something like the one I want, but they wanted an arm a leg and one half of my mortgage for the dies set.

Besides, If I make them myself, then I can modify them to my heart contents.

chambered221 · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Very interesting........feel free to elaborate more on your goals and objective.

I guess you could say I'm intrigued by all this simply because of the 221FB !!! Very Happy

Vince · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

This should be an interesting project Gelan. I can see your ultimate goal, so the journey to achieve it will be very interesting mate.

The rimfire cases swaged into a jacket is not new, have a mate up here that has tried them. He said however, that they are definitely not a high velocity projectile. Apart from that, a great, cheap plinking bullet.

Cheers, Vince

Elvis · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

looks like a worthwhile project.
I have heard of guys using projectiles BACKWARDS with subsonic loads this could be why. I guess you could put a heavy projectile in a drillpress and create a hollow point with no bother.

Aloysius · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Geland look around, I think somebody in your part of the world is making bullets with a rebated boattail.

but their site is down?

Predator Projectiles - web site - www.predatorprojectiles.com.au

gelandangan · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Aloy yes, there are a lot of makers making rebated boat tails.
However, they are expensive and usually they have minicsule hollow point or FMJ.
And they are usually made in mind for supersonic purposes.

Making my own maybe could cut down cost, but definitely I could experiment for most optimum projectile shape for my style of shooting.
Besides, it will amuse me and keep my blood pressure down Very Happy

Elvis, yes I have tried drilling with HP drill jig, spinning them in a lathe and of course cast them with HP pin.
However, swaging them would guarantee most uniform result both in shape and weight.

slimjim · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

gelandangan wrote:

Slim, I am unsure as to what you meant

It seem like Austrialia is doing its best to not make shooting easy. Guys like you, that keep the sport alive are the foundation. Then to make your own bullets and use them to fill the freezer, you're a cornerstone.

Ominivision1 · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Gun show Orange Crusher

Aloysius wrote:

Geland look around, I think somebody in your part of the world is making bullets with a rebated boattail.

but their site is down?

Predator Projectiles - web site - www.predatorprojectiles.com.au

Your right Aloysius, but you can use Google's cached page which is Here

And one more proof Australia is blocking websites. Here

Since Australia is now using content blocking by orders from the big brother, a lot of web sites will be off limits to the people in Australia. This started in 2010 and will only get worst.