keetoowah wrote:

GOOD GODDESS ....What kind of parents are these???? Did they use Fern to bait in the bear??? Was the bear attacking or minding its own business?? Did they take the meat home or give it to people that could use it??? Did they give the bear grease to the natives?? Excuse my ignorance but exactly is "dispatch" the wolves mean? did they kill the wolves or scare them with a shot to dispatch them?? will there be any big animals left if now the children are killing too?? .375 is amazing she can shoot it. I dont agree with trophy hunting for murder is murder. Now if they use the fur and eat the meat and use the grease and bones then good on her. hope her folks are smart enough to teach when she can go out in a month and when she cant.

HUH?

Ease up girl. Ease up. Yer bra is getting a bit tight...

Bushmaster wrote:

Ease up girl. Ease up. Yer bra is getting a bit tight...

Thought we were all pretty good at moderating how we say whatever we say. Other than that I've always kind of admired the forum for allowing people their piece, isn't that one of the things my good neighbors to the south are always waving the flag about? If that's changed someone let me know and I'm outta here. Or is someone wanting to tell me my boxers are getting a little tight?

tracker wrote:

Bushmaster wrote: Ease up girl. Ease up. Yer bra is getting a bit tight... Thought we were all pretty good at moderating how we say whatever we say. Other than that I've always kind of admired the forum for allowing people their piece, isn't that one of the things my good neighbors to the south are always waving the flag about? If that's changed someone let me know and I'm outta here. Or is someone wanting to tell me my boxers are getting a little tight?

Part of that whole getting to say what you want. Don't have to agree just let it be said.
And yes it got the fethers in a twist but hay I just looked it at as an age thing, like when my grandpa says something I don't agree with.

Kinda one way isn't it...This freedom of speech thing...

YOu're the one telling people to ease up in the first place, that's why I asked. Comments on gender aren't worth responding to.

Bushmaster wrote:

Kinda one way isn't it...This freedom of speech thing...

I figure say what you want. And if we (I) don't like it I can ignor it. Done that for years. It is also the problem with the whole free speech thing. There is also the part where as long as it doesn't harm others.

Ease up girl. Ease up. Yer bra is getting a bit tight...quote from Bushmaster

its not getting tight, I am filled with questions. many questions.
I am not a horse so dont talk to me as if I were one please.

I have been in Hunting class now for 3 nights and the one thing that really bugs me is the lack of respect to the animal that they are killing. Maybe its my Indian upbringing to hold things that the Creator made sacred and treat it as such, not just go blast something to death.

the whole Ethics is a gray area with some hunters. Like the Fair chase rule where it is balancing the hunter's skill and equipment to the ability of the animals escape. if that is true then explain to me how tree stands are a fair chase. plus its dumb to put yourself in situation where you can get that injuried.

I dont understand how Murdering an animal that only God can make is a sport.
maybe you can fill me in for the game warden up here cant answer me or the instructors,they just look at me like a deer.

they say take responsibility so non hunters and anti hunters dont vote to close lands, but white way of hunting is murderous to me. nothing has changed in the 600 years the whites have been here.

please note I am 3/4 white and nothing in the white history can i find anything to be proud of.

Now if this is offensive to some ignore it like tink does, but being new to hunting I want to learn all I can so I am a responsible and an informed hunter. I work with anti hunters and I have to teach them the good right?

respectfully,
Keetoowah

ps what kind of teacher are you tink???

keetoowah,

I understand what way you look at I look at it the same way for the most part, I do not kill animals I do not have full intention of eating for the most part.

One of these days I'm gonna go for Bear (since this topic is about it) and It will involve me not only eating its meat which I'm told is "tough" but making myself a blanket out of the fur for winter. I wonder if once I get married my wife will let me use that or not though.

Its not nessesarilly the "white way" of hunting thats the problem its the commericalisation of hunting into a "sport" that caused this, first you had magazine hunting writers do this to get big animals all over the world to write about, then you got people wanting to get more and more bigger animals from reading these articals. And in my opinion evloved into a "macho" thing.

Here on these forums we many who hunt for the meat not the rack as you can see here: www.huntingnut.com/ind...pic&t=2403

Dimitri

Thank you Dimitri
I didnt even think of the writers of magazines, but that does make sense.

regards
keetoowah

FANTASTIC!!!!

keetoowah wrote:

GOOD GODDESS ....What kind of parents are these???? Did they use Fern to bait in the bear??? Was the bear attacking or minding its own business?? Did they take the meat home or give it to people that could use it??? Did they give the bear grease to the natives?? Excuse my ignorance but exactly is "dispatch" the wolves mean? did they kill the wolves or scare them with a shot to dispatch them?? will there be any big animals left if now the children are killing too?? .375 is amazing she can shoot it. I dont agree with trophy hunting for murder is murder. Now if they use the fur and eat the meat and use the grease and bones then good on her. hope her folks are smart enough to teach when she can go out in a month and when she cant.

keetoowah wrote:

I have been in Hunting class now for 3 nights and the one thing that really bugs me is the lack of respect to the animal that they are killing. Maybe its my Indian upbringing to hold things that the Creator made sacred and treat it as such, not just go blast something to death. the whole Ethics is a gray area with some hunters. Like the Fair chase rule where it is balancing the hunter's skill and equipment to the ability of the animals escape. if that is true then explain to me how tree stands are a fair chase. plus its dumb to put yourself in situation where you can get that injuried. I dont understand how Murdering an animal that only God can make is a sport. maybe you can fill me in for the game warden up here cant answer me or the instructors,they just look at me like a deer. they say take responsibility so non hunters and anti hunters dont vote to close lands, but white way of hunting is murderous to me. nothing has changed in the 600 years the whites have been here. please note I am 3/4 white and nothing in the white history can i find anything to be proud of. Now if this is offensive to some ignore it like tink does, but being new to hunting I want to learn all I can so I am a responsible and an informed hunter. I work with anti hunters and I have to teach them the good right? respectfully, Keetoowah

Well keetoowah I'm sorry you feel that way, but just to let you know that here in Sask the people that waste the meat/animals are the first nations people. First of all, very few believe in fair chase unless you believe spotlighting etc is fair chase. Hunting from tree stands is to me "by far" more "FAIR CHASE" then hundreds of first nations chasing everything out the end of a bush and another hundred shooting everything that comes out. With tree stand hunting you only shoot one animal if it walks out in front of you and not the whole herd. There are many cases of where the first nations have slaughtered wild animals by the hundreds, like several years ago in the Cypress Hills Park in the middle of August (at 80 to 100 degrees fahrenheit ) and hauled them out piled in the back of trucks and traveling hundreds and hundreds of miles with the rotting carcases that were not even field dressed, just because they can. There are also many occasions where they have slaughtered animals and cut off the best parts and left the rest to rot. Many female animals shot and the fetus removed and the mother left to rot. Yes there certainly are some white folk that are just as ruthless. But for the most part, the first nations people are the worst, and when it comes to waste, they waste the most. So I don't think a nine year old girl shooting one big bear is a BIG deal, whether she ate it or not........ and don't try telling this white man the first nations people really appreciate what God the Creator put on this earth any more then a white man like me........!!!!! Just how tall is your horse.... do you need a ladder to get down.....?

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tracker wrote: Bushmaster wrote: Ease up girl. Ease up. Yer bra is getting a bit tight... Thought we were all pretty good at moderating how we say whatever we say. Other than that I've always kind of admired the forum for allowing people their piece, isn't that one of the things my good neighbors to the south are always waving the flag about? If that's changed someone let me know and I'm outta here. Or is someone wanting to tell me my boxers are getting a little tight?

Could be..........!

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I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it--Voltaire I might not even understand it--Tracker

We can say anything we want, but, it is how we say it that makes for how it is treated by others. No judgements here, just stating a fact.

Hunting has always been a spiritual experience for me. I am not the worlds worst hunter but close. To say it is a miracle if I get a shot at something would be a lie but I make a lot of noise if I go into the brush. I can stalk and wait as well as the next guy but I have probably let more deer walk away than I have shot in my 40 years of hunting. The animals I shoot are those who seem to communicate that the reason they are there is to feed me - and those I use as completely as I can. I used to cut the bones for my dogs, the hides were made into drums, sheaths, belts, holsters and rattles. I've even made a few book bindings with the leather. The meat is eaten, gladly, because we like it.
I respect the animal. I respect what it provides and I respect it's life. I shoot only when I am sure of a clean and humane kill. I take care of the meat from the time it is shot to making sure that none of it goes to waste.

1895ss wrote:

Well keetoowah I'm sorry you feel that way, but just to let you know that here in Sask the people that waste the meat/animals are the first nations people. First of all, very few believe in fair chase unless you believe spotlighting etc is fair chase. Hunting from tree stands is to me "by far" more "FAIR CHASE" then hundreds of first nations chasing everything out the end of a bush and another hundred shooting everything that comes out. There are also many occasions where they have slaughtered animals and cut off the best parts and left the rest to rot. Many female animals shot and the fetus removed and the mother left to rot. Yes there certainly are some white folk that are just as ruthless. But for the most part, the first nations people are the worst, and when it comes to waste, they waste the most. So I don't think a nine year old girl shooting one big bear is a BIG deal, whether she ate it or not Quote:: tracker wrote: Bushmaster wrote: Ease up girl. Ease up. Yer bra is getting a bit tight... Thought we were all pretty good at moderating how we say whatever we say. Other than that I've always kind of admired the forum for allowing people their piece, isn't that one of the things my good neighbors to the south are always waving the flag about? If that's changed someone let me know and I'm outta here. Or is someone wanting to tell me my boxers are getting a little tight? Could be..........! Quote:: I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it--Voltaire I might not even understand it--Tracker

maybe where you live but I've hunted with Indians all over northern Saskatchewan and have never seen any of the behavior you mention and I've never heard of those incidents before quite honestly, I do know of places where people still hunt for the entire community at one time, but I've never seen the waste you're referring to. But then, your opinions on FN people have been well documented here before, my friend, so perhaps it's not my boxers that are too tight.