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Gil Martin Super Member


Joined: Jan 28, 2005 Posts: 1832 Location: Schnecksville, PA
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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I have been watching and listening to the various responses to the incident in Texas. I feel bad for the victim and the Vice President. Perhaps I am most appalled at the attempted humor and cheap jokes on TV and radio. Somehow, I fail to see the humor. It reminds me of the home video shows where folks end up going to the ER and the audience laughs its head off. Too bad. Just the idle thoughts of an idle fellow. All the best...
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DallanC Site Admin


Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3546 Location: Utah
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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Yup I agree.
Its hard to cast judgement without being there. The victim could have come up behind them in thick brush... it could have been windy / hard to hear etc etc.
I believe it was an accident but its a good reminder for everyone that it can happen to ANYONE so gun safety always the first thing to keep in mind.
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Vince Site Admin


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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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GilMartin wrote: |
I have been watching and listening to the various responses to the incident in Texas. I feel bad for the victim and the Vice President. Perhaps I am most appalled at the attempted humor and cheap jokes on TV and radio. Somehow, I fail to see the humor. It reminds me of the home video shows where folks end up going to the ER and the audience laughs its head off. Too bad. Just the idle thoughts of an idle fellow. All the best...
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Gil, I have to agree with you. Its a terrible incident for sure, accident or otherwise. Another consideration is what the spin-off is likely to be for firearms owners. Will this incident "create" an "anti" in high places??
Dallan is correct...without being there, only two people know for sure what happened, and why, and the likely hood of the general public ever hearing the complete truth is remote.
You will never stop comedians from grabbing an opportunity with both hands and running with it....just shows the mentality of those that do.
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squirrelbait Member


Joined: Sep 23, 2005 Posts: 220 Location: Nottingham, NH
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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Dallan, I'm going to step out and give an oppinion.
I have a hard time with the word and how often it is used: accident.
There are many cases where there has been unfortunate poor judgement. I am not casting great despersions on our VP....I would go hunting with him anytime. But in every hunting "accident" if someone or more than someone had used better judgement the incident would not have happened. I really tire of people say "well, it was an accident, I didn't see him". Sorry, they spend I lot of time in "hunter safety" classes stressing that very point. Accident seems to say "it could not have been avoided" and I can not buy into that. I have made many bad judgement mistakes. But I know it was my bad judgement/poor decision. Ok, I'm done.
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mikekuzara Member


Joined: Sep 13, 2005 Posts: 147 Location: Farson, Wyoming
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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Which one of the four would you rather do?
1. Go bird hunting with Dick Cheney
2. Go swimming with Ted Kennedy
3. Let your teenage daughter go on an outing with Bill Clinton
4. Let Hillary make your health care arrangements
I have to argue semantics here. An "unaviodable accident" describes something that could not be stopped or averted. Just a plain old accident is something that through mistake or fault, could have been avoided, but was not. The only other option would be to say that the VP shot his friend intentionally.
Obviously, this was an accident. Even though one or more persons did not exercise proper safety procedures, no one did so intentionally.
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delboy Member


Joined: Apr 21, 2005 Posts: 240 Location: London England
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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I take on board all you guys say about this, but I'd still like your VP to take Tony Blair out............................... in more ways than one!
Sorry............
Del
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515034s10ring Super Member


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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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It was a accident and they happen no one means to shoot a good friend or family member on a hunt. Things happen no matter how much you fallow the safety rules to the letter at one point in your life your going to mess up no point blowing it out of perportion
Mike,
I've got to say number 1 myself.  That 3rd one wouldnt happen if I had a daughter unless hell froze over.
Dimitri
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squirrelbait Member


Joined: Sep 23, 2005 Posts: 220 Location: Nottingham, NH
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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Alright, so I'm a crankaty old bastard. Mike I agree with you. I just feel like sometimes people use the word as if it completely excuses a mistake or poor judgement. I know, I know, damn-it, it happens. Like I said I would go hunting any time with the VP......and be very honored at the opportunity. I was in a 4 car accident last year.......I was the last in line. No accident! I leaned over to get my coffee and someone pulled infront of the car 3 up from me. I didn't stop in time and didn't have enough distance. I agree accident but only because I used poor judgement and took my eyes off the road.
Yea, I'm just a crankaty old bastard and can't get my words out right.
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1895ss Super Member


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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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squirrelbait wrote: |
Alright, so I'm a crankaty old bastard. Mike I agree with you. I just feel like sometimes people use the word as if it completely excuses a mistake or poor judgement. I know, I know, damn-it, it happens. Like I said I would go hunting any time with the VP......and be very honored at the opportunity. I was in a 4 car accident last year.......I was the last in line. No accident! I leaned over to get my coffee and someone pulled infront of the car 3 up from me. I didn't stop in time and didn't have enough distance. I agree accident but only because I used poor judgement and took my eyes off the road.
Yea, I'm just a crankaty old bastard and can't get my words out right. |

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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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Just think...If it were you or I you would have read about it at the bottom of page three of your local news paper...It happened and the Vice President was in the wrong for not insuring he knew where everyone was at and knowing his target and the backstop...And rightfully so, he admitted it...END OF SUBJECT!!!
Screw the damned liberals...
By The Way...There is no such thing as an accident...Only "Cause and Effect"..."Accidents" are an act of God...!!!
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515034s10ring Super Member


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1895ss Super Member


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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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Aren't all accidents avoidable. I mean if everthing was done to avoid an accident then there would be no accident, right. They do happen but someone or something is at fault. JMHO
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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Cheney's Hunting Accident |
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1895sshhsshh...Did you even read my last post? I already said that...There is no such thing as an accident...If a valve suddenly starts gushing crude oil it means that maintenance didn't inspect that valve and make necessary repairs before it let go...If you load a case and forget to check it for powder drop and you seat a bullet you get a squib...Is that an accident or was it "Cause and Effect"? You didn't inspect the case to insure that it had powder in it before you seated the bullet (The cause). A squib (The effect). Carelessness? Yes! Accident? NO...!!
MmmMmmm Whiskey good tonight....I'm in fine fiddle...
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