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ElyBoy Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Claymore Rookie Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Bushmaster wrote: |
And NO the "lower class" do not bennefit from (left wing) socialism. |
In the short term they certainly do. In the long term, the proof in the pudding is that things fall apart (unless you consider China socialist, which in some respects it is, but with regards to foreign investment is certainly not). That typically is why there is a 'two party' system in democracies, with fairly opposed views, neither offers a sustainable or comprehensive approach in the long term.
The only real refutation I suppose I can give you Eric will be following November 4 when the democrats win the election. What then will your hard line conservative (for want of a better word) values have achieved (assuming for a moment that you are completely correct and I and the left are utterly wrong)? A large backlash against the majority of the community (including those that want 'change' but don't really know 'why' or to what...) and vastly expanded power and influence to the 'left' which will inevitably lead to problems in the future (whether they are right or wrong in principle) I forsee some bad, popularity driven policies being rushed through parliament (congress?) to appease the masses in their need for 'change.'
The arguement I put forward for limited gun control is simply as a result of these figures. In 2001 there were almost 12,000 homicides involving a firearm in the US . In Australia over the same period there were 47...
Enough politics, I'm going fishing for the cup day long weekend...
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Claymore wrote: |
On the other hand; we could consider the definition of right/left held in WW2. We had the Germans (and such) on the 'right' with a totalitarian regime, and democracy on the 'left.' |
No, this is a narrow minded view on politics. A democracy CANNOT exist in a left wing country. It is either bought votes pushing people to vote for it to continue so they can keep getting their check every month or its forced in a one party system.
In a absolute right wing country there is no such thing as a central government to control the will of the citizens. There is no need, the country has been deregulated to the point of people doing what they wish with their lives. There is no police required as the people take care of criminals who threaten/take away their right to live freely by their own means.
A democracy is just a middle ground till the buying of votes from the government's treasury turns it into a left wing country in time. This is inevitable, the majority of people in time will always feel self entitled to what they do not earn themselves (greed and laziness).
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Then this altered somewhat with the rise in communism where we then had the Soviets on the 'left' and the US on the 'right.' I think this is probably one of the more dominant influence on our current perception of 'left' and 'right.' |
Communism replaced monarchies in many countries under the "umbrella" of being for the people. It is never about helping the people of the country, nor is it much different as compared to the monarchy it replaced. They both use different means to get the same result. Communists say "everyone is equal" which applies to everyone BUT the elite who do as they wish to gain their own power (as seen in any communist country to date) while a Monarchy says similar "We are on top but everyone else is below us". Both mean the same thing. Just one is a pill that is easier to swallow for most people in the country.
Although one may make the argument a Monarchy is actually a "right" type of political system, think about it this way, they prefer strong central control of the people and the country, they regulate any business to feed their own pockets or they simply take control of what ever assets they wish when it suits them. They are really in a truest sense a left wing governmental system. And generally operate identically like the "communist" system. They so "despise" each other not on what they do but the fact the systems both mean the end to the other ones power base.
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This is seriously called into question following the Republican 'bailout' package, which is about as extreme 'left' economic policy as it comes. |
Bail outs however worded generally involve the purchase of interest producing assets even if a large number of them default and the government only gets back the principle they still make money on the interest on the ones that are paid off. It is not a "leftest" policy the way it was done. Would have been a leftest policy if they took over the market and didn't pay off the investors. As a leftest policy makes anything you own the government's when ever the government wants it.
By the way I know I am responding to a older post but I was busy last night and have not been online for since Wednesday.
Dimitri
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OntheLasGallinas Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Dimitri,
You are exactly right in your definitions and assumptions. This is the way it has always worked, and will always work. If a person believes differently, I would say that they have been listening to the advocates of the socialist agenda, without analyzing the information, or just plain sitting back, listening, applying the information to real world situations, and (using a little Texas Slang) figger'n it out for yourself.
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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But I like my political debates Vince. Great way to unwind after 2 days of working and partying with a very cute girl and working again, being home just enough to get a few of hours of sleep in between.
Dimitri
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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_________________ Cheers, Vince
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Actually I found out Hope thinks I am a ugly bugger. So I guess Eric's idea of a wedding is off.
Actually cute girl I met last night is a few many years older then Hope.
Dimitri
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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_________________ Cheers, Vince
Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)
Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.
"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
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gelandangan Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Dam.. as a fella Ozian, I wont say anything here.
But Yeah this topic is scary.. big wide division of ideas
whos wrong whos right?
What if the budhist are the right religion, or the hindi, or the ao dai etc..
What if I like potato and you like potatoe..
I hate politics, an I hate people.. .... better go back to the bush
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ElyBoy Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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I think that you two guys should be made to move over here for one Election Year Vince.
24-7 on TV, Radio, and Print.
Our Constitution has produced the greatest County in history, but I don't think that our Founding Fathers ever intended us Citizens to be put through this kind of Political insanity.
Eric
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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What scares me is how many people base their vote on a sound bite or what "Aunt Ethel said...” Someone told tonight that their vote was decided by how much gas cost on the way to the polling place!
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: A little lesson to the family on "Spreading the Wealth" |
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Or "I don't want to be a looser so I'll vote for the one I think will win so I'm on the winning team"...
I'd rather vote what I feel is right and loose then to vote what I know to be wrong and win.
And this year it's a toss up as to who is right, but...Sen. McCain comes the closest...
Room for three in that truck?
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