Remington knew the guns were handled by a remington dealer not an autherized smith before advising Omini to call. Just check back if you will.
If this was the policy , then it could have been clear from the start .
In this situation Remington could have come to the party and paid some of the bill . "No biggy" for a company that size . WRITE IT OFF AS GOOD PUBLIC RELATIONS .
As a mechanic I would not want any guy to mess with a tranny I built
But maybe know and trust a repair shop who would be trusted to have a look .If the repair was small it would get the nod , otherwise I ask for the tranny to be shipped down. Common sence!!
Suppose the car owner ran over something and broke a line . If a few liters of oil got him going again I would spring for it .Just to make a guy happy. Some times you need to take abit , knowing down the road word of mouth is going to help you maybe down the road .
Well this works in Central and southern Ontario Canada . We tend to work together that way.

Good news, just getting back home from work and my answering machine was flooded with messages from Remington and my Gunsmith. I have a gut feeling after I called him before I called Remington to see what was up and he is still pissed.

To make a long story short, Remington will cover all of my cost to modify both guns and also pay for handling fees.

Also John (my gunsmith) told me to tell everybody out there that the safety program is on until 12/31/2010.

Went through heck but what it means is they will fix the problem and (i think it should be free) replace trigger as needed.

John (my gunsmith) blew up at Remington and showed proof to me and he was faxing papers to Remington stating that he has covered warranty on Remington rifles for 28 years.

They wrote him back a letter saying it was just a misunderstanding.

Now, I will put my 2 cents in, Remington was a good company, the people that did build the rifles and shotguns took pride back from 1930's till the middle 1980's. Like John said the people who took pride in building a rifle or shotgun, they are long gone now and sad to be, the bottom line is money.

This is a shame because I admired Remington and Winchester, and even thou they both build excellent guns, their management and support sucks.

Here is the link for Remington Safety Program.

Remington Bolt Action Safety Program

As you can see, it it's just not the M700 that has a problem.

Well I am very pleased Some One in Remington Arms has come forward and done more than expected .
I was getting discouraged for awhile with the BIG GREEN.I was wrong in so thinking- as proved today ."There is good management "


Lets all grab up a stump ,and a beer from the cooler and be merry .

Maqwa wrote:

Well I am very pleased Some One in Remington Arms has come forward and done more than expected . I was getting discouraged for awhile with the BIG GREEN.I was wrong in so thinking- as proved today ."There is good management " Lets all grab up a stump ,and a beer from the cooler and be merry.

You sweet talkin' devil you.

I agree with what you have said mate...There is good management. It is good to see that a firearms manufacturer has stood up behind its product and said...yep...problem exists, fix problem, problem solved.

Cheers, Vince

Glad to hear all was resolved.

With thousands of dealers, millions of guns in market, and countless people in the process (both in and out of the company), sometimes wires get crossed. Not an excuse, just an observation.

Please don't hesitate to call us with any questions or concerns. We try our best to support our products and our customers. Even if it takes us a few go-rounds to get it right.

We're shooters ourselves, and know it's frustrating when your gun isn't working as you (rightly) expect it to.

Hope your 700 serves you for years to come, and very sorry for headaches.

RemingtonArms...I am extremely impressed with the fact that you have taken the time and effort to come onto this forum and reassure us of the integrity of Remington Arms. Its very refreshing in this "no blame" world we are evolving into.

I am an aussie shooter, and at this time not an owner of a Remington firearm, but based on the attitudes I read here...that may very well change in the future. At the very least, the Remington Brand will be right at the top of the list for consideration.

Cheers, Vince

my 1st rifle is a .22 single shot Remington. its old as simple as and has never let me down. Im with Vince as I to am impressed with Remington for fronting up. keep up the good work.

Unfortunatly some of you are very uninformed about the situation. There have been many Model 700 Rem that have been purchased new with no modifications and this still occured. I have seen this first hand so I know for a fact it happens with new guns. Also they did produce a gun with this issue resolved however rather then stopping production on the original design they continued producing both types and selling them side by side. I agree that if the gun was pointed in a safe direction however a gun that fails like that should not be in production. The original designer of the Model 700, Mr. Walker warned Remington to fix the problem many years ago however Remington refused to make the changes.

tlo7mm wrote:

Unfortunatly some of you are very uninformed about the situation. There have been many Model 700 Rem that have been purchased new with no modifications and this still occured. I have seen this first hand so I know for a fact it happens with new guns. Also they did produce a gun with this issue resolved however rather then stopping production on the original design they continued producing both types and selling them side by side. I agree that if the gun was pointed in a safe direction however a gun that fails like that should not be in production. The original designer of the Model 700, Mr. Walker warned Remington to fix the problem many years ago however Remington refused to make the changes.

Yes mate...I don't doubt that this may very well be the case, and it is a problem that needs addressing.

However, having said that, one of our members has gone to Remington with the problem on his rifle and they have, fronted up, come to the party and corrected the problem. This I find to be admirable on the part of Remington given that we are a very public forum.

Maybe if every "700" owner, with the problem, did the same, then maybe Remington would do a total recall or "take your rifle to "this Gunsmith to be checked" action. At the end of the day, a rifle is a machine, and machines are fallible...and when they become fallible to the point of being dangerous, then it is the responsibility of the owner/operator to take steps to have the fault corrected...not the original manufacturer. Unless you tell them that your "machine" is faulty, then they will not know about your "machine". This, of course, does not abrogate their responsibility though.

Finally...one thing my Dad always taught me:

"You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar".

What this means (to me anyway) is that if you approach the manufacturer in a non confrontational manner, are pleasant, and flexible in your request for assistance, you are more likely to get helpful action than not. Certainly, I don't believe that "they" will go any further than is totally necessary if you are being pig headed and officious.

Cheers, Vince

So the "recall" only applies to 700s made before 1982? Correct?

I'm not aware of any recall......only the Safety Modification Program that ominvision has listed a link to.

This modification allows the safety to stay engaged while opening the bolt. Guns made 1982 and prior you had to put the safety in the fire position in order to open the bolt to unload the gun. Guns made after 1982 have the modification in place from the factory.

That was my impression. Thanks!

I have hunted down pre 1982 safetys and installed them in most of my 700s that I use for big game hunting. The older safety converts post 1982 700s to lock the bolt when on safe. The newer 700s no longer have the bolt milled for the locking safety though. I have three 700s manufactured in 1989, seven years after the safety was changed, and they are still milled for the bolt locking safety. A simple safety swap is all that is necesary to convert these rifles to locking bolt.

I have a .270 700 that was made in 1997, the receiver is still milled for the bolt lock safety but the bolt is not. I am planning on milling the bolt with my trusty dremel tool to also accept the bolt lock safety.

If anyone has an older 700 that locks the bolt and wants to eliminate the feature, send me a PM, I will trade you the newer style safety for your older style bolt lock safety.

I H-A-T-E my 700 which will not lock the bolt. I am not stupid, and would not take the gun off safe to unload while pointing it at my neighbor's dog's uncle's baby.

The gun however, IS stupid, in that when slung over your back and the bolt gets caught up in your coat or a limb or anything and is pulled slightly up, and then the buck of a lifetime steps out, you swiftly unsling said firearm, take careful aim, and n-o-t-h-i-n-g because the damned bolt is open!!!

If I ever run up on the rocket scientist who came up with this "solution" I'll kick his butt all the way back to the west coast.

Sorry fellows. I just suddenly got p----- off.