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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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LOL! Thanks Bushy!
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English Mike Super Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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I saw a test a while back where loaded rounds were tumbled for up to a week.
There was no visible difference between the powder from pulled cases & out of the jug.
Nor was there any difference in velocity between tumbled & not tumbled rounds that would indicate a change in the powder's properties.
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aznative Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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I cannot see where 15 minutes in a tumbler to remove lube is worse than 12,000 miles being bounced around in a pickup. The surface treatment I like to see on powder is graphite. It helps the powder flow more accurately thru a mechanical thower. I believe it also acts as a retardant.
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SingleShotLover Super Member
Joined: Dec 26, 2007 Posts: 1005 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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All of this just proves that each individual needs to make their own decision based on all of the information they can gather. Whether pro or con, just make sure it comes form reliable sources that have the proper expertise and specialized equipment to give a definitive answer. None of us want to see anyone hurt, so safety must be number one.
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stovepipe Super Member
Joined: Sep 25, 2008 Posts: 4877 Location: Pine, Az.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Bushmaster wrote: |
You DO know what an "expert" is don't you?
He's a drip now... |
X = spot on a map.
"spert" = drip under pressure.
I don't cuz, I'm not sure where I read it, but some manuals say to NEVER tumble cartridges.
Also- I dont need my powder fluffed up. The vibes in a tumbler are NOT the same experienced in transport. At the least it can change burnt rate and charicteristcs if the kernals are buzzed to oblivion, or so I've read. I woudn't know as I simply don't tumble cartridges as many publications say NOT to and it's not a risk I'm willing to take...so there! My completed cartridges ONLY go into a box then into the gun- that's it.
YMMV and no I'm not an expert but I did sleep at a Howard Johnsons last night.
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Bushmaster Super Member
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stovepipe Super Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Oh boy, here we go.
Have you been tumbling your meds again? Cuz yer gettin' all mixed up mister!
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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OK, I decided to go to THE sources about tumbling loaded cases. I emailed the powder manufacturers and asked them what they thought about it.
First response was from Hodgdon (they have always been good, and quick, about answering my questions) and they said "We do not like the concept of tumbling loaded ammo. The tumbling action will cause degradation of the powder which will increase the burn speed and increase pressure."
I'll post any other responses as I receive them.
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Oh, I'd always been told that an "ex" was a has-been and a "spert" was drip under pressure. So an expert is a has-been drip under pressure...
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chambered221 Super Member
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Or...They are covering their butts....
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Ramshot/Accurate says "We do not recommend it.
The weak link is the primer, which has a brittle composition, and can be activated during cleaning.
There have been cases when rounds did go off in such devices.
No amount of shaking can break down or affect the powder granules especially in the limited space in a loaded round.
During the manufacturing process, the powder is vibrated and tumbled for long periods.
So the big unknown is the primer , that’s why tumbler manufacturers warn against tumbling loaded rounds."
_________________ Mike
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Well that's one to one...So far.
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stovepipe Super Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Progressive Presses |
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Are there any manuals that say TO tumble completed cartridges?
I didn't think so!
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