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MacD Super Member
Joined: Apr 08, 2011 Posts: 1052 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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Yes, I was aware of the lesser capacity of military brass. The point I was making was even though the powder was listed under. 308 in the Hodgdon data it really isn't a good choice for that calibre. Even in a Winchester case it required slow loading and tapping to get it all in at 2 grains under the maximum load. The result was an overly compressed load. IMHO the powder shouldn't be listed for 308. I have settled on three good powders and can't remember which powder gave me the problems. It may have been W760 or H414. I do not have any left of either and do not plan on buying more.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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well I got a note back from Hodgdon on the 357 Herrett issue:
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-----Original Message-----
Paul Stephens
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:30 AM
To: Help Account
Subject: Form submission from: Contact
Submitted on Monday, June 1, 2015 - 10:29am Submitted by anonymous user: [71.94.187.199] Submitted values are:
Name: Paul Stephens
Email: pauls1950 @ yahoo.com
Phone Number: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Message:
I am wondering why the over all length is longer on the four 200 grain bullet loads for the 357 Herrett than with lighter bullets.
I was told by someone that this is an error and I was thinking it had to do with the heavier (longer) bullet and the compressed charges needing more case volume.
I would appreciate clarification on this load
From: administrator @ hodgdon.com [mailto:administrator@hodgdon.com] On Behalf Of
Paul Stephens
You are the one that is correct. We were able to seat the bullets out further on these bullets which also would allow more powder and help keeping it from being compressed too much.
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So, this is not an error unless the chamber that you use is too short to allow the cartridge to chamber without hitting the lands. Since the cartridge was designed to use blunt pistol bullets it seems that the spire point does not hit the lands in this configuration.
anyway I just thought I would get the information posted so others who question it don't have to "ask Hodgdon" about it.
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gemihur Member
Joined: Mar 04, 2014 Posts: 44 Location: Ridgelines of the Blue Ridge Mtns
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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Arlen,
You sound like a real shooter.
I admire those that will brave the realm of the Herrett wildcats, especially the 357!
Paul is correct as the ogive of spire bullets can be seated farther out than blunt ones. I don't disagree that the manual is mistaken, tho.
I usually seat my bullets just before the rifling and have found that there is no standard leade in these chamberings.
Each barrel must be assessed as to it's allowable depth of bullet seating.
Keep shootin', man!
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Grey_Wolf Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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My .02, Does anybody really use the recommended COAL? I check for length to the lands for every cartridge and bullet that I use in all of my guns and adjust seating depth accordingly
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8316 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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Same here Grey_Wolf. I reload to optimized for my particular rifle.
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Grey_Wolf Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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That's been my experience Jim. I thought a bit more about it and had a couple more thoughts. My son's T3 in 30:06, it has to be loaded with quite a bit of jump when using the 168 gr Berger because it is too long for the magazine - so maybe using "the book" dimensions would work for that one but we still checked first. I have rejected powder/bullet combinations because it would give me less than a bullet depth for seating
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English Mike Super Member
Joined: Jan 08, 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Whitehaven, Cumbria, UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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Grey_Wolf wrote: |
My .02, Does anybody really use the recommended COAL? I check for length to the lands for every cartridge and bullet that I use in all of my guns and adjust seating depth accordingly |
Me too, which paid for itself earlier this year, as a new rifle I bought has a short leade.
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PaulS Super Member
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pete4d Super Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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I'm not even looking until this "shortage" is over and prices return to normal.
I have enough supplies to get me through five years or so.
_________________ Paul
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Speer, Lyman, Hodgdon, Sierra, and Hornady = reliable loading data
So and So's pages on the internet = NOT reliable loading data
Always check data against manuals
NEVER exceed maximum listed loads |
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pete4d Super Member
Joined: Nov 27, 2011 Posts: 957 Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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_________________ "march to the sound of the guns and shoot everyone not dressed like you"--D I 1968
When the SHTF I'm gonna hunker down until all those idiots kill each other. up-date
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Bako1987 Rookie Member
Joined: Sep 03, 2020 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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Hi All
I just bought a Remington 700 LR 7mm Rem Mag
I have Norma cassings and 173gr ELD-X points
I want to start load developement on these rounds but have never reloaded a 7mm Rem mag
What would you guys say is the best speed (FPS) for these rounds
Keep in mind that Hunting in namibia are not very longs shots
The furthest that we basically shoot in Namibia is about 700Meters (765yards)
Thank you
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pete4d Super Member
Joined: Nov 27, 2011 Posts: 957 Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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Bako , welcome
See you've been around for awhile that's good ,so pull up a stump closer to the fire .
Others here would have more knowledge on the 7-mag , as I've never tried to work up loads for it.
Just don't be a stranger ,,,,,,pete
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11394 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - ERROR!! |
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765 yards (700 meters)? And what do you call a long shot?
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