No kidding Marty. Yeah I've backed into those things too. You don't feel it much but when you see those things in you, it truly makes your day. You start pickin them out and the cactus goes sideways and puts more in you and pins your pants leg to your leg (or butt in my case) they are hell. It's funny but pack-rats make nests in piles of cholla cactus and there's a bird that nests in them (cactus wren I think) pretty good defensive move.

Suz

This guy was wrong to respond the way he did. I wouldn’t deal with anyone like this. I would get people in my place all the time asking for jewelry work to be done, but cheap, inexpensive, and so on. I know what they meant, and I would just rephrase the question and ask them back, “ I see, your looking for something you want and like at a reasonable price, is that right? Lets see what can be done within your budget, Im sure you’ll be happy with what I can offer you”
Or something like that. Anyway, even if I was in the most pissed off mood ever, I would never talk down to a customer. Even the most rude customer. I can always go in the back room when they leave and scream my head off. But I cant always fix a damaged reputation cause I lost my cool with a customer. Word of mouth can do more damage than 100k of advertising, and a lot faster too. So can arrogance, and this guy seems like he has a lot of that. He sounds full of himself and that can often mean bigger problems if he does something wrong and you have to try to negotiate a fix for it. He will always be right, you, the customer will always be wrong. And that’s no way to run a business. I look at it this way, I might be able to do something’s you cant, and I can do them well enough that people were willing to pay me, but I don’t know it all, and I am always learning. I learned a lot of things from customers who often look at things differently than I would, and I would get great ideas from them. Customers can be a muse sometimes, other times, they can be amusement or even aggravation, but they are still the business life line and should be treated with respect, even when its not reciprocal.

Just an FYI Suz, and please ,don’t take it wrong. But try wording you request to a business without using Inexpensive. Just say you want to see if he can keep it within your budget, and would like to see what kind of ideas he has. Yes, your saying the same thing in a lot more words, but as a wise many once told me, Perception is everything. And if this arrogant gun smiths first perception of you was that you were wanting his work for cheap, and Im sure he gets it a lot in his business, he reacted that way. Wrongly , but he did. He might be good, but like I said, with an attitude like that, do you really want to take the chance? I wouldn’t .

Just my 2.5 cents worth. So please Suz, don’t lay waiting in the bushes for me with a Barret and a night scope..

Dan

Very sage words Dan...I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head...especially this part...Customers can be a muse sometimes, other times, they can be amusement or even aggravation, but they are still the business life line and should be treated with respect, even when its not reciprocal.

Dan wrote:

...Just my 2.5 cents worth. So please Suz, don’t lay waiting in the bushes for me with a Barret and a night scope..

Dan...it's not a Barrett you need to look out for...it's the "stout switch"... Suz's weapon of retribution.

Cheers, Vince

Vince, your a shotgunner. have you fire formed brass for shotgun shells?

Ive got a bunch of 303 British rounds I want to use for my 410. Ive never dont this before. have you?

Sorry mate...no...never tried fire forming shotgun brass. I've fire formed other calibres, but they were easy...not too sure how you would fire form .303 brass to .410...maybe it would be asier to do the forming process entirely by die.

I'm in the process of buying some Gauge Mates in .410 for my 12g, so I might look into this one mate.

Cheers, Vince

OK...had a bit of a look on the net, and there is a multitude of info available on this particular subject.

This is my Google Search results...

www.google.com.au/sear...nt=firefox

Not that sure that it is really a worthwhile exercise as plastic 410 hulls are readily available as are plastic 410 wads. With brass cartridges you will have to sort out priming problems (in some cases), cut felt wads, cut cardboard top wads and look at sealing considerations. I think I will stick with the purpose made plastic hulls that run to about AUD$40 for 250 out here in Australia...they would be even cheaper in the US I reckon.

Cheers, Vince

yeah, but a 410 press here is expensive. $160 just to reload 410s is just not something I can justify. To reload the 303 for 410, you just need a 45 die and a press , and those I have.

I just looked, 410s are around $16 per 100, primed.

I guess I could always just used to old fashioned dowel rod and hammer reloading method. its cheap, just works, and can be done anywhere. I dont shoot the 410 that much, so I figured just loading a couple dozen 303 brass would do good for me. But I never reloaded shotgun so I dont know the cost.

+1 on the .410 shells they are cheap enough to get new and sometimes even 2nd hand ones can be had.
an old boss once said to me
"All customers bring us joy, some when they come and some when they LEAVE" Wiser words Ive seldom heard.

Dan my wife got me a .410 hand load kit. you know the ones that a wee hammer takes the place of a press, it is great and does all the loads my boy will ever need, Ive even done buckshot with it and it works pretty darn good too.If you have a look for post "anyone else loading .410" you will see abit of info there (I havent worked out how to add a link yet sorry )

Great Elvis, I have been looking for one of those. Lee made them years ago, but now if you can find them on places like ebay, they are getting close to $100 bucks at times. Which would mean I would just buy a press if I was going that much. I'll take a look around your post and see what i can find. Thanks!!

dan1dad,
I have tried performing 303 shells for my 410 HR survivor.
the result are varied.. You got to anneal the neck before attempting to do so.

a 444 marlin is a better parent case.

with apology to Suz for topic wondering

Gelan.

dan1dad,
I have tried performing 303 shells for my 410 HR survivor.
the result are varied.. You got to anneal the neck before attempting to do so.

a 444 marlin is a better parent case.

with apology to Suz for topic wondering

Gelan.

Dan

I used the 444 marlin to make my 410 shells and I got a pic of it on another thread, I think I'm going to order regular 410 brass shells from midway.

Ok back on topic before Suzzy comes after me with them stout switches.

why not the 45 Long Colt? Never tried them but always heart they are interchangeable.

IF THE .45 LC WORKS HOW ABOUT .454'S OR .460'S?