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#1: What did I miss along the way ? Author: pete4d, Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:46 pm
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What Scratch

did I miss along the way ?

My step son brought me some .308 win (Hornady) hulls awhile back, finally got around to sizing and de-priming . Started to prime with federal LR primers , WTH , the primer pocket is too small . They mic. about half way between the SR & LR primers ,the SR primers just fall in and out , Did Hornady start using an odd size so I can't reload ,their hulls ? I'd already run into their 45-70 hulls being shorter ?

Had no trouble out of the Win. or the Rem. brass. Scratch

Anyone else ever run into this Scratch

#2: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Vince, Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:57 pm
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That’s strange mate. I’ve never heard of an odd size primer being manufactured...I would imagine the costs would be too high to set up.

I’m gonna have a stab in the dark here and suggest that the primers were probably crimped which is why the primer pocket appears too small. Have a close look at the primer pocket and I’ll bet you’ll find a crimp of some sort. Once you remove that crimp, LR primers should squeeze in perfectly.

EDIT: A quick search of the net bought up a number of questions asking if Hornady crimp their primers. The answer is a resounding YES. You will need a primer pocket staging tool or a primer pocket reamer to remove the crimp. It’s an easy job that takes but a few seconds with a reamer.

#3: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Elvis, Location: south island New Zealand

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:39 pm
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NAH Vince...stop being so ... Scratch

...easily led....... hornady cases HAVE BEEN CRIMPED...they started doing it about same time they brought out superpreformance factory loads....all YOU NEED to do is...take your case deburring tool,poke the pointy end in primer pocket and give about 3 quick whirls...the amount of material removed is sweet stuff all,puts a lovely champher on beginning of pockets and new primer will slide in like. Scratch

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well greased,boys thingy,into a slack girly thingy.. Embarassed

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Ive struck ONE brand new remington 45/70 case that pocket is too big..primer just falls back out.
as for the shorter shells in 45/70....its also because of the leverlution loads...it let them crimp on cannalure and have overall length work in the likes of marlin levers..... doesnt worry me in slightest,just reset die for the shorties when loading....Im keeping my long ones for the smelly black stuff as can cram slightly more in .

#4: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: English Mike, Location: Whitehaven, Cumbria, UK

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:54 pm
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I too just stick the nose of my RCBS chamfer tool into crimped pockets unless it's a LOT of cases, then I use the one on my Frankfort case prep station.

Never seen the need for a dedicated swage tool.

#5: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: pete4d, Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:58 pm
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Just as ya'll pointed out ,on the primer pocket . The first thing I did was run them though my RCBS trim mate again . 16 cases total .

Just measured with mic. , the cases again .
.214 = LR
.202 = Hornady cases , there is no crimp edge
.176 =SR

I've used a lot of Hornady cases over the years different calibers but this is a first Scratch

,wish I had the box they came in , but all I have is the brass.

#6: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Elvis, Location: south island New Zealand

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:14 am
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hmmmm and what do hornady have to say???? flick them an email...nothing to loose,at least you will get an answer (and we will too) and if hornady has any brains AT ALL you will get some nice shiney new brass arrive in post.....

#7: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: pete4d, Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:01 am
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Elvis wrote:

hmmmm and what do hornady have to say???? flick them an email...nothing to loose,at least you will get an answer (and we will too) and if hornady has any brains AT ALL you will get some nice shiney new brass arrive in post.....

I read an article a couple years ago, kind of like conspiracy theory at the time , where some of the companies were being pushed by the ATF and anti's to curtail our ability reload . With whats happening now in real time , who knows ? Scratch

#8: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Bushmaster, Location: Ava, Missouri

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:36 am
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Pete...I don't have any small rifle primers here to measure, but I was wondering...Could Hornady be using small (or large) pistol primers?

#9: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Elvis, Location: south island New Zealand

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:40 am
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they could use small rifle....as they do in some other cases but small or large pistol would be too soft/weak and would lead to issues ,possibly even major injuries. bottom line is the cases WERE primed with some sort of primer....really scratching head on this one,look forward to what hornady have to say.

#10: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Vince, Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:02 pm
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Pete, have you already binned the primers you removed, or are you like me and leave them in the collection tin (I have a large tin they drop into) till there’s quite a few? If you still have the spent primers, run a vernier caliber or micrometer over them to ascertain their physical size.

The crimp on the Hornady factory cases should be, or look like, a depressed ring around the primer pocket...it’s a simple action to remove it. You don’t need a primer pocket swage unless you are a high grade bench rest shooter...a simple primer pocket ream is the tool, and they are inexpensive...$12 to $15. You can use your case mouth chamfer tool as pointed out by others, but I think that tool takes too much metal off which reduces the pocket size a little.

#11: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: pete4d, Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pm
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Vince , They look like your pictures , they mic. the same at the top & bottom of the pocket , I didn't keep the primers Scratch

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Not worth the trouble of buying a swagging tool . only 16-hulls or paper weights . Just never ran into this before , wonder if they have are having the cases out sourced . Scratch

From Hornady this morning

..... thank you for contacting us. Were these cases recovered from factory ammunition? If so, the primer pockets are likely crimped and this crimp will need to be removed with a pocket reamer or swaging tool after the spent primer has been removed. Thanks

#12: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Vince, Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:13 pm
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Yeah...an inexpensive pocket reamer is the go mate. You might only have a dozen or so cases now, but you may have use for one in the future.

#13: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Elvis, Location: south island New Zealand

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:29 pm
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I cant figure out your measurement thing yet...sooooo humour me.....use your deburring tool on ONE case,trim off less than MM worth of material...just a quick whirl,you need to remove less than a fingernail thickness worth...you will see tiny bit of brass removed.......and then try sizing a primer again.
then let us know how you get on...nothing to loose.

#14: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: Aloysius, Location: B., Belgium

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:39 am
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I'm with Elvis. Deburring tool is the way to go. I use it on most of my cases as this helps to prefend ruining primers.

#15: Re: What did I miss along the way ? Author: pete4d, Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:56 am
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It's not just the outside edge ,it's the whole pocket , top to bottom .

Just ordered a Primer Pocket Uniformer Large Rifle
by RCBS , as my large military crimp remover didn't work Scratch

,,, never ending story on what you may spend on reloading Scratch

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