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Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Mitchell, GA, U.S.A. (2007 pop. 191)
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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I was using the 130 grain Game King and shot a small whitetail doe that probably weighed 70 pounds in the shoulder and was puzzled when she turned and ran. After a long tracking job and a little bit of luck I found her about 300 yards away. After skinning her I discovered that the bullet blew apart in the muscle of her shoulder, didn't even hit bone, and only a small fragment entered the lungs. The shoulder looked like a grenade hit it. In this caliber I think this bullet should be limited to nothing bigger than coyotes. |
I may be covering information you already know. You didn't say what range you made your shot but the Game Kings are a long range thin jacketed bullet made to open up at lower velocity at longer range.
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Quote from Sierra website: GameKing® bullets are designed for hunting at long range, where their extra margin of performance can make the critical difference. GameKing® bullets feature a boat tail design to bring hunters the ballistic advantage of match bullets. |
If they are used at closer ranges they do blow up at higher velocity. They are not a good selection for ranges 200 and under, some recomend 300 and over.
Those shorter ranges call for the use of Sierra Pro-Hunter bullets that have heavier jacket construction.
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Quote from Sierra website: The traditional, flat base design of the Pro-Hunter® has been skillfully blended with Sierra's world-famous accuracy. Our custom-tapered Pro-Hunter® jacket design helps assure maximum expansion, optimum weight retention and deep penetration for game-stopping, one-shot performance. |
As you can see from the quotes from the website, Sierra falls a little short on the information you need for selecting the right bullet for the job. In both cases you have to read between the lines to see what they are trying to say. Somewhere they need to add thin jacket, long range, Game King. Heavy jacket, short range, Pro-hunter.
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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And I have had just the opposit problem with Gamekings in that they tend to go through and through without expanding at close range. found that by slowing the Gameking down a bit it does better at close range. Took a forked horn at 80 yards and the deer had a small hole in and a fist size hole out. Now that bullet opened up...
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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I believe the lighter the caliber/cartridge for the game being hunted the more important the quality of the bullet.For deer with the 243 Win I use Nosler partitions.I had very good success and some dramatic kills with the Sierra Gameking 225 grain in my 35 Whelen so I figured it would be a decent deer bullet in my 270.Wrong! I was using the 130 grain Gameking and shot a small whitetail doe that probably weighed 70 pounds in the shoulder and was puzzled when she turned and ran.After a long tracking job and a little bit of luck I found her about 300 yards away. After skinning her I discovered that the bullet blew apart in the muscle of her shoulder,didnt even hit bone, and only a small fragment entered the lungs.The shoulder looked like a grenade hit it. In this caliber I think this bullet should be limited to nothing bigger than coyotes.Too soft for big game especially at higher velocitys.I now use Hornaday interlocks in the 270 and have had good success.If I were to take it elk hunting I would use 150 gr Nosler partitions but that aint gonna happen because I have much better elk rifles. |
This is why I do not trust them! My experiences mirror yours!
But try to tell that to the nimrods who use Matchkings no less on game!
Man do NOT get me started on that!
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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shrpshtrjoe Super Red Neck Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 2965 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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Howdy. I have a buddy that was useing noslers bthp match for deer hunting and took two deer with them and I went into whole thing with him about there target bullets designed for accuracy and that performance/expansion is not a major concern in there design. That they may work fine one time and then blow up the next time It's hard to talk someone out of something they have had luck with , It's taken me two years but I got him switched to a hunting bullet ( accubond) .
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vandergrift Rookie Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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In my 40 years or so of handlonding and hunting, I have never found a so called premium bullet that was any where near as accurate as the standard Sierra, Horandy, and Speer spitzers. I have played with them all over the years, and in many cases went from a half inch group, to a group which would be measured in feet. In one 270 I had cut a 1 hole five shot group with 130 Sierra's, switched to Barnes 120 grains, and could not keep a five shot group on a three foot piece of paper. I have never shot any big game animals but deer and elk. However I have never needed a second shot. I will stay with the standards, simply because they work, and I can light a match at 100 yards with one.
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roklok Super Member
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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Its true that the gamekings are designed for longer range use,the doe that I talked about was less than 100 yards away.But how many hunters out there know for sure they are not going to be taking shots under 200-300 yards? A bullet that blows up at close range is useless to me,there are plenty of others designed for long range work that have the structural integrity not to fly apart at closer ranges.
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DallanC Site Admin
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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One of the worst bullet performances i've ever seen was out of my 7STW using 160grn Federal Premium bullets... loaded with sierra GameKings. Hey its premium ammo its gotta be good right? Well the cow elk did die... from shock alone but the bullet absolutely exploded on her shoulder (she took a step just as I shot) with few fragments even entering vitals. A partition or better constructed bullet definitely would have preformed better. I now shoot Rem Safari Grade ammo using the Swift A-Frame bullets and have been happy with accuracy and preformance.
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1895ss Super Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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Years ago when I was working up a load for my, then new 25-06, I loaded some sierra 90 gr hollow points to experiment with. Coyotes etc (varmints). Well deer season seemed to come early that year and that was all I had loaded. They were very accurate, so I thought what the he**. I shot a nice big Muley buck at 150 yards, on the run, and I could see in my scope when I fired, that his shoulder turned red. He stopped and just stood there and seemed to shiver a bit. I knew I had hit him so I shot him again just behind the shoulder. He went down and I had to finish him when I got up to him. That's when I realized what had happened with the first shot. The first bullet had exploded when it hit hair. The hide was blown off the shoulder and the bullet hadn't penetrated much past that. After skinning etc, I went home and pulled all the 90 sierra bullets I had loaded. I then loaded Hornadys and have never had anything like that happen. I still load nothing but Hornadys in my 25-06 and for what I use it for (mule deer and whitetail) they work great. After all, it is a deer to varmint cartridge, not meant for Elk, Moose etc.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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POP,
Sorry couldnt read past the first page or so.
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My personal experience has been that for the many many hundreds of deer I've shot with the SMK they work fine. |
And thats from a admin in that forum. I'm not joining that site.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Why a Premium bullet? |
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YUP. Killing elk with Matchkings at 900 + yards....criminal in my eyes.
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