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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Thanks for the input Bushmaster,
My dad has a Cheif Crazy horse commemerative and a box of 38-55 he has for it. Never fired it though. I was thinking about taking it out and shooting it seeing as he has the ammo and its just sitting in his gun safe
If I ever get a lever action it will be a 30-30 I think. Just because I'd only need it for really close range work in the bush while hopefully successfully stalking game
Dimitri
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Bushmaster Super Member


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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Chief Crazyhorse Commemoretive??? Unfired? Leave it in the gun safe and keep it clean and preserved...
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Ok Bushmaster.
Thats probrobly what will happen though seeing as my dad has kept it unfired since it first came out and he bought it  He wouldnt ever let us shoot it.
I am thinking about getting myself a Model 94 Ranger in 30-30. Looks good and its cheap at 420$
Dimitri
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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_________________ One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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deermanager wrote: |
....................its all down to bullet placement!!! |
You said it!
Nuff said! 
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Spacedone Member


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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a 30 06 is a target rifle
and a mauser is a hunting rifle
a enfield is a combat rifle
all these statements are true but kick vs recoil vs kill power is what i was discussing.
for deer sized game up close a 30 30 cant be beat {200 yards max}
a elk sized target at long range a 30 06 is hard to beat {300=500 yards}
for deer to elk sized game at medium range the 303 .311 round is hard to beat vs the recoil to kill ratio {100-300 yards} and will kill big bears or elephants if your hunting elephants in north america.
the dia is larger than the 30 06 and the round can be uploaded safely to lower 06 fps speeds with alot less felt recoil and as well the velocity can be down-loaded to 30 30 fps speeds easily plus theyre cheap if you reload. under 4 dollars a box and theres a huge selection of bullet weights and styles from spitzers to boat tails to round nosed to full metal jackets to ballistic tips, 100 to 215 grain bullets with a legitimate kill range on elk at over 300 yards and yes they will shoot over 1000 yards if your man enough to actually shoot 1000 yards and is the fastest bolt action ever made.
as well as new enfield style firearms are being made today.
8th most used big game hunting firearm in history, used for game from groundhogs to elk to bears to elephants to cape bufflo, seals, walrusses and even small whales used in the artic more than any other firearm today.
new may be better but not nessacarily.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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_________________ One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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and a mauser is a hunting rifle |
What makes these true ??
Last I checked the Mauser was a battle rifle as well in one of its many forms (Springfeild M1903, German K98, Yugo M48 etc).
And I do belive the 30-06 is one of the more classic rounds to use for hunting in the US and Canada
Personally I'd use something better then a 303Brit for bear. Personally opinion seeing as its a underpowered round. SAAMI lowers the pressures of the 303 because of the old rifles that couldnt handle higher pressures ;). This means you also lose alot of velocity. Hodgdon lists a maxium of 44,000 CUP and 2550fps for the 303Brit with a 180gr bullet.  The 30-06 does up to 50,000 CUP with 2800fps with also a 180gr bullet.
I dont know about you but the 303 was good when it first came out being a smokeless vs the BP rounds but today its really under powered.
PS If you honestly think you could kill a animal at 1000 yards with that gun please just give up hunting. Wounding a animal in a non-vital spot at that distance with the 303Brit is crule.  I'd like you to go out and shoot a 3ft by 3ft peice of paper at 1000 yards and tell me how many shots actually hit the center foot ?? I bet you wouldnt even get a single shot in there  Oh and no doing anything more then quick windage since in a real hunting situation you wont be using wind meters and the like
Dimitri
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Knock down power IMO is the careful selection of the caliber , the bullet , and the shot placement ..
This is fast going from a question about knockdown power to "mine's better than yours , and this is why yours aint any good " .. And appears to be a little animosity brewing here ..
Let's be careful what is being sent back and forth here ..
Jack
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: "KNOCK" down POWER!! |
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Sorry Jack,
I didnt mean to be roud to anyone or anything like that. I was just trying to get him to understand his 303Brit isnt a do everything rifle out to 1000 yards.
Personally I got a 8mm Mauser that is also underpowdered thanks to SAAMI specs.
Dimitri
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