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lesterg3 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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chambered221, said
Shooting at a running deer is on the lines of unethical !!!
A wounded deer will usually lay down somewhere just out of your sight.
Give him 30 minutes or so and sneak in down wind of him.
Chambered, who's shooting at running deer?
I am confused about that part of your response.
Not me, and I am not trying to be defensive here, just what you to know what my position is.
That is something I would never do, walking slowly yes, trotting maybe, but probably not, and running a real big no. At least for me. I know how my disabilities affect my shooting!
As you said unethical, I say stupid and more importantly showing no respect for the animal that God has provided. I use great caution in assuring that I have a shot that will kill quickly, and will pass on any shot with no remorse if I don't think I can kill with one shot.
Besides I am disabled, and can't go running around in the woods looking for something that I didn't respect enough to shoot properly. There are good things about being disable too, I can hunt everyday, so I'm not complaining. Well maybe just a little.
That's why I spend so much time trying to get great groupings. I am not trying to impress anyone anymore, I am way too old that B___ CR__!!
There are too many other factors that can ruin your POI, it should not be because you didn't spend enough time tuning your rifle, or your load, or that you are so MACHO that you will shoot at anything, because your the Man!!.
And, there is no place in the woods for nincompoops (wow, I'll bet that is spelled wrong) that will shoot at anything that moves, regardless of speed or prey. There are way too many Danial Boone's out there. If ya know what I mean.
As far as waiting 30 minutes or more before going to the game, I am in complete agreement. 30 minutes or more, besides it usually takes that much time for someone to show-up and help me out of the box blind.
Just my opinion.
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lesterg3 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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Dawgdad,
Tried the cotton swab, nothing caught.
Also, my Savage likes a little fouling, and have tried that with the Remington. It did not change anything.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Les
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"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."--James Madison
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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TRBLSHTR wrote: |
:And last when hunting the larger game and backing up a buddy that got buck fever and has already shot 3-4 rounds and the animal is wounded and running.
Now I know that for most a 1/2' or a 3" shift is not much at 100 yds,but now multiply that by the yardage increasing as the animal or game is running away and the poi/poa becomes drastically significant. |
Les, page 2, I took these as poke and hope !!! Please correct me if I misunderstood.
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lesterg3 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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Yeah I see what you mean,
I guess I missed that one, too tired to let loose on them now though.
Like I said, too many Danial Boone wanna bees out in the woods.
Thanks.
Les
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"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."--James Madison
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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Dawgdad, that cotton swab trick is a good one! Thanks!
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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No need to re-read, saw your back-up thing the first time.
Shooting at running game is a poke and hope at best !!!
In hopes that you don’t poke someone or something you shouldn’t !!!
If your going to try and convince me about how good you are at shooting things on the run, let alone at 100+ yards..........................
Sorry, this is where we need to part discussion on the subject !!!
Besides we are getting way off the original subject.
No doubt in my mind you and others have the skill to do it, just don’t kid yourselves about how much luck is involved !!!
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glockman55 Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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Lesterg3, I don't know if you have tried different ammo, I can't get Rem Core Loc's to group in my rifles. and I didn't read every word for word of these posts, But if you want to make your rifle free floating, trim a little wood out of the barrel channel with a dremel tool a little at a time until you can slide a dollar bill between the barrel and forearm.
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lesterg3 Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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Glockman55,
Yes, all types that I could afford. Within a month or two I should be reloading though, I was just trying to get a handle on this before using reloads.
The Core-Lokt works exceptionally well in the Savage 110 .270 with 130 gr, and while I know that different rifles can be particular about what’s best the Core-Lokt is better than anything else I’ve tried.
I am not giving up on this Remington, and have a had time believing it was made in ’64, I am going to proceed with the tear down and the other stuff I mentioned as soon as my gun room is complete, great wife, Mizz Dee gave one of the big bedrooms upstairs for whatever I want, by big I mean 14’ x 18’.
And, I still get to sleep in our room at night.
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."--James Madison
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glockman55 Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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Sounds like you have a good wife, and Wow, 14'X18' gun room? You a lucky man.. Good Luck
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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glockster wrote: |
Lesterg3, I don't know if you have tried different ammo, I can't get Rem Core Loc's to group in my rifles. and I didn't read every word for word of these posts, But if you want to make your rifle free floating, trim a little wood out of the barrel channel with a dremel tool a little at a time until you can slide a dollar bill between the barrel and forearm. |
The glockman beat me to the question.....
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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On barrel contact with the stock...
Unless the stock is completely sealed it will (or at least can) warp with temperature and humidity. As the barrel warms the stock will tend to bend a lot more than the barrel will. The stock (if it is not sealed) can bend toward the barrel as the wood next to the barrel dries. If it is sealed temperature can still affect the stock and it will bend or twist toward the least dense part of the wood. I don't own any "light weight sporters" so my barrels (and guns) tend to be on the "normal" or heavy side. I have never had a rifle that was less consistent once the barrel was floated.
I have heard from others that some guns require the pressure on the front of the stock but I fail to understand how a wood stock can maintain consistant pressure through the temp and humidity extremes that they are exposed to.
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Barrel contact with stock and accuracy |
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PaulS wrote: |
I have heard from others that some guns require the pressure on the front of the stock but I fail to understand how a wood stock can maintain consistant pressure through the temp and humidity extremes that they are exposed to. |
Paul you are right it does work better with synthetic stocks. However, laminate stocks (which is what most guns come with when they have "wood" stocks, unless they are generally older guns or military style firearms and even then there are many laminated stocks out there) do not move as much as one would think it should based on comparing it to a real solid wood stock.
Dimitri
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