Again I'll risk of showing my ignorance. Flint54 & 10ring were talking about using a Glock model 20, 10mm for hunting. I picked up a used Glock model 22, 40 s&w. I know the bullets are listed as the same size but is the case bigger on a 10mm? I like the Glock but didn't know if the 40 s&w could be loaded hot enough to take game.

I hunt as well with a Glock 20 and while the bullet may weigh the same, the case is larger (longer retaining more powder) and you can't load the 40 S&W hot enough to achieve the same ballistics velocity/energy safely (10mm is on average 200+ fps. faster and has 200+ ft lbs. more energy).

However, a Glock 24 or 35 with their longer barrel would increase your velocity 'slightly' over a G22 and depending on shot placement and yardage, i would trust the longer barrel "IF" i were going to try to take whitetail 15 yards and under or for small game.

Hope this helps!

When you were talking about hunting with the 10mm I figured it had to have a larger case than the 40 s&w. I haven't seen a case for the 10mm up close put I knew the 40 s&w seemed way too small to hold enough powder to take into the field. Thanks fore clearing that up for me.

No problem at all!

Ironic as it may be, the .40 S&W is identical to an older cartridge with a much larger case. The 38-40 or 38 WCF as it was called when introduced back in the late 1800's. Same caliber, same weight bullet, same velocity, same energy. It took a hundred years to reinvent the same cartridge.

Mikekuzara:

How true that is! But i'll tell ya, it soooooo much resembles a 'short' 357 sig....what do you think?

38-40


357 sig

I have noticed the similarity. Since the 38-40 is basically just a 44-40 necked down to .40, I guess they did not want to call it the 40-40 or 40-38 to avoid confusion.

I have always preferred the 38-40 over the other "cowboy" cartridges. Although I may be biased, since I inherited a 1st generation Colt SAA in 38-40 and a Marlin 1889 lever action in the same caliber. Historicaly speaking, most of the old west lawmen in this area carried the 38 WCF. Many of their guns are in the museum and about 80% are 38-40. Guess maybe they knew something even then about over penetration? I would guess that if the 38-40 had reputation for not going through people, the wall behind them, and the horse outside, maybe the "town" lawmen knew they didn't have to worry as much about hitting an innocent bystander.

I think an improved 38-40 could be made, since the original case was designed for black powder, there is a lot of room left in it when I reload with modern powder. If you built a gun to handle it you could make on heck of a .40 caliber cannon with it.

mikekuzara wrote:

I think an improved 38-40 could be made, since the original case was designed for black powder, there is a lot of room left in it when I reload with modern powder. If you built a gun to handle it you could make on heck of a .40 caliber cannon with it.

I could only imagine (now if i could modify a G21 or G37 to accept that)!

Gary Reeder has a few that take over where the 38-40 left off and they all have a LOT more steam than the 38-40.

the 41 GNR = .44 Magnum necked down to a .41 cal

The 41 GNR#2 = .445 Super mag necked down to .41 cal

The 410 GNR = .454 Casull necked down to .41 cal

They are all impressive. Check him out, I can vouch for his Quality work! I had Gary rechamber a 10" .357 Mag to .357 Maximum he also recrouned and engraved my Initials in the barrel along with the year of the work. Quality and great service. Thanks again Gary if you ever see this. Bob K.

www.reedercustomguns.c...ridges.htm

Reeder has many nice pieces and i have been looking at one of his 41's and the 510 to get within the next few years (with the 510 being first). I have the 450 GNR barrel for a T/C and one of his 358 GNR revolvers as well and with out a questionable doubt, he is VERY good at what he does!

The 10mm can and does in some cases compare with the .41 remington Magnum.(depending on the load) I have taken deer with my G20 with my hand loads, they did not know the difference between the 10mm and my 44 magnum DEP.

You are right about that Crackshot, although the various .41 GNR surpasses our standard 10MM by quite a bit.

I will Stick with my 41Rem mag (S&W & Ruger), and my Desert Eagle's, (44MAG & 50ae), as well as my Glock model 20 10mm. As I have stated before(to other people), the game you harvest very seldom knows the difference. The 44 magnum has taken just about every animal on the planet, so why punish your self(recoil) for more?, when its not really needed. Unless your showing off!

Crackshot wrote:

The 44 magnum has taken just about every animal on the planet, so why punish your self(recoil) for more?, when its not really needed. Unless your showing off!

Well, i wouldn't necessarily call it showing off or punishing because perceived recoil is different with each person as i shoot my 500 easily with not one punishing effect, some people think it's equil to a 454? But i will say i know my limits for each animal i harvest, and while a 44mag with 330gr sledgehammer rounds are the minimum i carry for bear, i like the comfort level of my 500mag and the hotter wildcats of slightly smaller calibers.

I do deem the 44mag as my favorite though, but seen it's vulnerabilities first hand at 50+ yards, and hunting bear with rounds under 300 grains was not a fun thing.

Yes the 44mag has its limits, But! I certainly would not waste a 330 sledge hammer on a deer. I have shot some pretty big deer with my favorite load and had pass throughs on all but a few, (300gr Rainier Flat points over 18.2 grains IMR4227) and even then they traveled no more than 60 yards from the point of impact.
I have taken deer with 180 grain loads at more than 50 yards and they passed through.
I believe the 44 magnum is the ideal whittail cartridge,(whith in its range limits.) Carbine or hand gun.