HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: patrad69
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 13133

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 103
BOT: 3
Total: 106
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums
05: Home
06: Home
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Home
11: Home
12: Home
13: News
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Home
17: Home
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Home
21: Forums
22: Home
23: Forums
24: Home
25: Forums
26: Home
27: Forums
28: Photo Albums
29: Home
30: Photo Albums
31: Home
32: Home
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Home
37: Your Account
38: Forums
39: Photo Albums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Home
44: Photo Albums
45: Forums
46: Home
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Home
50: Your Account
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Forums
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Home
57: Forums
58: Your Account
59: Forums
60: Home
61: Home
62: Photo Albums
63: Home
64: Forums
65: Home
66: Photo Albums
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Photo Albums
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Home
80: Forums
81: Home
82: Forums
83: Home
84: Home
85: Forums
86: Home
87: Forums
88: Forums
89: Forums
90: Forums
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Forums
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Forums
98: Forums
99: Forums
100: Home
101: Home
102: Home
103: News
  BOT:
01: Forums
02: Home
03: News

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 308
 Pictures: 2455
  · Views: 824653
  · Votes: 1316
  · Comments: 85
 

Subsonic for hunting?
Discussion that doesnt fit other Topics
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » General

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Aloysius
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 2441
Location: B., Belgium

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:35 am    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Vince, I don't have that Lee key, I have the Lyman mould. But when I should have that Lee key I think I would have tried to drill a hole in that middle support of the slug and tie a short piece of rope on that support. In my mind I see that rope help as an extra cushion inside the barrel and as a stabilizer during the flight.
Often the slug is fixed to its wad so the wad is acting as stabilizer.

You see: never to old to try something new and even old men can get fresh ideas, especially when they make things cheaper Smile
and you know how many different ropes you can try for this? In different lenghts...
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 15728
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Aloysius wrote:
Look, this is how "nuts" discuss things... you start with subsonic for hunting and you get wise things about rifled barrels and chokes, even about barrels of battle ships and tanks... Smile

BTW: I've been told that they also had a kind of insert barrel for tanks that allows to shoot .30 ammo... a friend (a few years older than me) used that to shoot at crows when he was in the military... some people think about hunting all the time and they try to use everything that's available Smile

Yes, the military uses sub-calibre devices in many of its weapons. I remember seeing two M113A1 Armoured Personnel Carriers fitted with 76mm cannons, pull up to the large sandpit beside our pistol range on the Range Complex. The guys jumped out and proceeded to put little toy Matchbox model cars in the sandpit. They then went through the entire process of sighting, loading and firing the gun at the models…with a .22 rimfire sub-cal barrel fitted inside the 76mm barrel. We had a good laugh at that.

That idea with fitting a tail is interesting mate…I’ll have to give it a try. I have some nylon cord about 2mm thick…I’ll give it a try, fitting about 6”, or thereabouts, to the back of the slug. It’s a little like a kite…it won’t fly without a “tail” fitted.

Now, getting back on topic…I have to load up some more .303 rounds with both 150gr SP and some 174gr SP to see which powder/bullet combination works best. If I can’t get a satisfactory load (I’ll be happy with around 3” groups at 100m which is much better than factory expectations/specs), I’ll stick to buying the PPU Factory Loads. Their 174gr FMJ shoots very well out of my #5 SMLE and both the 150gr SP and 180gr SP factory offerings fall within that 3” group sizing.

Once I’ve done that, I’ll look at some subsonic loads that I can use at the range for general plinking or “coupe de grace” loads as Elvis does. I have to sort some sub loads because the #5 Jungle Carbine in just EVIL off the bench. My shoulder is sore for a few days after a range session. I seriously doubt that subsonic loads for the #5 Jungle Carbine would have the accuracy or power to be of any great use in a hunting scenario, but on the range they should be good.

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Aloysius
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 2441
Location: B., Belgium

PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Vince, the .303 Br is easy: put a new primer, fill the case completely with FF-blackpowder and push a lead bullet on top. Your shoulder will like it and you'll be amazed how much power you send down range.

The disadvantage: you have to clean the barrel afterwards with hot soapy water. But my jungle Lee Enfield was born in 1918 (or was it 1916? I have to look) and still appreciates a good wash with hot soapy water Smile

Don't try to get the same amount of BP in that case as they originally used, because that's not possible.

I think when we old farts would write everything we tried down in a book, some would not believe we are still alive, others will not believe us at all and some will be amazed about all the "new" different possibilities...


forgot to say: clean your brass cases (soon) afterwards with oxy-clean and hot water. And make only the rounds you're going to use. Maybe it's my blackpowder, but once the round is loaded with BP the case seems to oxydise inside. And that's strange because the old loads with BP-sticks inside didn't seem to have this problem. Perhaps they knew tricks I don't know?
Back to top
View user's profile
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5949

PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Sulfur, water and metal don't go well together. Cordite used for the longest time in the 303 doesn't contain sulfur compounds.

As for cleaning bores with black powder fouling. Have you ever tried Moose Milk?



5173435eff766e51b01ea16b73d1374b.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  130.47 KB
 Viewed:  688 Time(s)

5173435eff766e51b01ea16b73d1374b.jpg


_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 9266
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

great photo...

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
Aloysius
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 2441
Location: B., Belgium

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

we don't have moose... yet Smile we already have wolves, even lynx are coming... next in line bears? and then moose or bisons?
but will they stay? we also get more and more people...

I've heard about moose milk but didn't try it yet.
It's strange how little I buy to shoot black powder.
Back to top
View user's profile
gelandangan
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 07, 2006
Posts: 6403
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Shocked moose milk !!! Strewth !!

_________________
A straight line is the shortest distance between two points.
A smile is the shortest distance between two people.

Do - Not try!


gelandangan.weebly.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5949

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Moose milk is often some combination of Ballistol, Murhpys Oil Soap, Rubbing alcohol, castor oil, witch hazel and water.

To clean the bore of black powder rifles of fouling.

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 5004
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

I'm told that Windex is good for cleaning black powder fouling. Many reenactors swear by it. After the bore is clean swab it with T/C Bore Butter. Petroleum products react with the fouling and make it hard. Bore Butter helps keep it soft.

I usually used hydrogen peroxide to clean the bore of my muskets. Then the Bore Butter to protect it.

And .58 cal muskets are subsonic...

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5949

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

The P-1853 Enfield loaded with then issued RFG powder shot at a velocity of about 1,265fps.

Modern black powder made of Maple rather then Dogwood charcoal limits them to subsonic speeds.

Brett Gibbons has a fascinating book "Like Fire and Powder" talking about British experiments and manufacturing of black powder in the 19th century.

I will keep bore butter in mind. Never thought of using it.

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 9266
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

I will dig out link for you Dimitri great web page with home rolled recipe and instructions.... lots to learn ,my last batch of homerolled was still a little damp...and as Aloysis aluded to earlier I also got corrosion around primers..I asked about it on here ages ago and no one had seen it before..guess I now know reason....

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 9266
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

web.archive.org/web/20..._menu.html

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5949

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Subsonic for hunting? Reply with quote

Elvis wrote:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110520014651/http://musketeer.ch/blackpowder/bp_menu.html

Thank you, I'll give it a good read over the weekend.

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » General
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by *Dizfunkshunal* :.