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pete4d Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:46 pm Post subject: What did I miss along the way ? |
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What did I miss along the way ?
My step son brought me some .308 win (Hornady) hulls awhile back, finally got around to sizing and de-priming . Started to prime with federal LR primers , WTH , the primer pocket is too small . They mic. about half way between the SR & LR primers ,the SR primers just fall in and out , Did Hornady start using an odd size so I can't reload ,their hulls ? I'd already run into their 45-70 hulls being shorter ?
Had no trouble out of the Win. or the Rem. brass.
Anyone else ever run into this
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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NAH Vince...stop being so ... ...easily led....... hornady cases HAVE BEEN CRIMPED...they started doing it about same time they brought out superpreformance factory loads....all YOU NEED to do is...take your case deburring tool,poke the pointy end in primer pocket and give about 3 quick whirls...the amount of material removed is sweet stuff all,puts a lovely champher on beginning of pockets and new primer will slide in like. ...a well greased,boys thingy,into a slack girly thingy.. .....
Ive struck ONE brand new remington 45/70 case that pocket is too big..primer just falls back out.
as for the shorter shells in 45/70....its also because of the leverlution loads...it let them crimp on cannalure and have overall length work in the likes of marlin levers..... doesnt worry me in slightest,just reset die for the shorties when loading....Im keeping my long ones for the smelly black stuff as can cram slightly more in .
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English Mike Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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I too just stick the nose of my RCBS chamfer tool into crimped pockets unless it's a LOT of cases, then I use the one on my Frankfort case prep station.
Never seen the need for a dedicated swage tool.
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pete4d Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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Just as ya'll pointed out ,on the primer pocket . The first thing I did was run them though my RCBS trim mate again . 16 cases total .
Just measured with mic. , the cases again .
.214 = LR
.202 = Hornady cases , there is no crimp edge
.176 =SR
I've used a lot of Hornady cases over the years different calibers but this is a first ,wish I had the box they came in , but all I have is the brass.
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:14 am Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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hmmmm and what do hornady have to say???? flick them an email...nothing to loose,at least you will get an answer (and we will too) and if hornady has any brains AT ALL you will get some nice shiney new brass arrive in post.....
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pete4d Super Member
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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Pete...I don't have any small rifle primers here to measure, but I was wondering...Could Hornady be using small (or large) pistol primers?
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:40 am Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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they could use small rifle....as they do in some other cases but small or large pistol would be too soft/weak and would lead to issues ,possibly even major injuries. bottom line is the cases WERE primed with some sort of primer....really scratching head on this one,look forward to what hornady have to say.
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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Pete, have you already binned the primers you removed, or are you like me and leave them in the collection tin (I have a large tin they drop into) till there’s quite a few? If you still have the spent primers, run a vernier caliber or micrometer over them to ascertain their physical size.
The crimp on the Hornady factory cases should be, or look like, a depressed ring around the primer pocket...it’s a simple action to remove it. You don’t need a primer pocket swage unless you are a high grade bench rest shooter...a simple primer pocket ream is the tool, and they are inexpensive...$12 to $15. You can use your case mouth chamfer tool as pointed out by others, but I think that tool takes too much metal off which reduces the pocket size a little.
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pete4d Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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Vince , They look like your pictures , they mic. the same at the top & bottom of the pocket , I didn't keep the primers .
Not worth the trouble of buying a swagging tool . only 16-hulls or paper weights . Just never ran into this before , wonder if they have are having the cases out sourced .
From Hornady this morning
..... thank you for contacting us. Were these cases recovered from factory ammunition? If so, the primer pockets are likely crimped and this crimp will need to be removed with a pocket reamer or swaging tool after the spent primer has been removed. Thanks
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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I cant figure out your measurement thing yet...sooooo humour me.....use your deburring tool on ONE case,trim off less than MM worth of material...just a quick whirl,you need to remove less than a fingernail thickness worth...you will see tiny bit of brass removed.......and then try sizing a primer again.
then let us know how you get on...nothing to loose.
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Aloysius Super Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:39 am Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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I'm with Elvis. Deburring tool is the way to go. I use it on most of my cases as this helps to prefend ruining primers.
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pete4d Super Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:56 am Post subject: Re: What did I miss along the way ? |
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It's not just the outside edge ,it's the whole pocket , top to bottom .
Just ordered a Primer Pocket Uniformer Large Rifle
by RCBS , as my large military crimp remover didn't work ,,, never ending story on what you may spend on reloading
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