View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
|
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:15 pm Post subject: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
I just picked up a CZ Scorpion carbine. I've found some carbine loads in an old Accurate manual. I was wondering if any of you folks have tried any 9mm carbine loads that you liked.
cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-carbine/
_________________ Mike
"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dhc4ever Super Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
|
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
You guys get all the fun toys.
Yet another weapon of mass hysteria banned from us, the fact its for defence is a no-no here after all the lawyers have made sure the criminals have more rights than us.....
Pumpkin I am assuming its recoil operated so a near max load of whatever powder and a jacketed projectile would be the go, taking into account accuracy and how tough the action is.
Some of those fragmenting projectiles would be worth looking at.
_________________ Pete
Dont do anything you wont like explaining to the paramedics.............. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11393 Location: Ava, Missouri
|
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:24 am Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
6.1 lbs...Heavy little sucker isn't it...
_________________ I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...
DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
|
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
I did see that Accurate Arms No. 7 was developed for 9mm carbine loads. I guess I'll pick some up. (Like I need another powder...)
_________________ Mike
"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle |
|
Back to top |
|
|
PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
|
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
Ultimately, so long as the maximum pressure is the same, the same powders that work best in a 4 inch barrel will work best in a 24 inch barrel.
A cartridge has a given volume for powder with a given bullet. The powder that comes closest to filling that volume and reaching the set pressure level will be the same no matter how long the barrel is.
The longer barrel will likely achieve higher velocities and the residue from the powder will be cooler when it reaches the muzzle but those are incidental to the barrel time and not because the powder has not burned.
_________________ Paul
__________________
Speer, Lyman, Hodgdon, Sierra, and Hornady = reliable loading data
So and So's pages on the internet = NOT reliable loading data
Always check data against manuals
NEVER exceed maximum listed loads |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11393 Location: Ava, Missouri
|
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:47 am Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
I would think that the slower the burn rate the better for the longer barrel.
_________________ I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...
DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
|
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:33 am Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
I'm also getting some feedback from another forum I visit. Leaning toward some CFE Pistol (which I already have) or Power Pistol (which I might have...) and 124-125 grain bullets (which I have).
www.carolinashooterscl...st-2039257
_________________ Mike
"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle |
|
Back to top |
|
|
PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
|
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
Bushy you are right, as long as you can get enough of the slow powder to produce the pressure levels. 4350 is a slow burning powder but it won't do anything in a 9mm because you cant get enough in that shell to generate the pressure necessary to burn it. For that shell you need a certain burn rate at the volume level you have available.
Powders slower than AA#7 tend to give lower velocities due to powder space constraints, while the fastest powders give lower velocities due to the fast pressure rise. (I have been studying) TiteGroup is about the fastest powder that gives high velocities. It has to do with the formulation that keeps the pressure rise consistent throughout the ignition range - which is why it is insensitive to volume compared to other powders.
_________________ Paul
__________________
Speer, Lyman, Hodgdon, Sierra, and Hornady = reliable loading data
So and So's pages on the internet = NOT reliable loading data
Always check data against manuals
NEVER exceed maximum listed loads |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dhc4ever Super Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
|
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:36 am Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
Geez Paul I couldnt get all the 4350 to burn in a 25/06 7 ft of flame out the front at dusk.
Not an isis hope in hell of getting it to burn in a 9mm.
I found Bullseye worked well in 9mm, but I cant remember the load.
I'm still jealous Mike.
Tell us what you find works best.....
_________________ Pete
Dont do anything you wont like explaining to the paramedics.............. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TRBLSHTR Super Member
Joined: Mar 23, 2007 Posts: 1071 Location: Lower 48's-left coast(near portlandia)
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
dhc4ever Super Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
|
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: 9 x 19mm Carbine loads? |
|
TRBLSHTR,
That would be ADI
www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders/
Check out the powder equivalents.
_________________ Pete
Dont do anything you wont like explaining to the paramedics.............. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|