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Gil Martin Super Member
Joined: Jan 28, 2005 Posts: 1841 Location: Schnecksville, PA
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:25 pm Post subject: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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I spotted a sale bulletin that listed Swiss Model 1918 bayonets in very good condition for one half of their previously listed price. These were needed to go with my Schmidt-Rubin 1911 and K31 rifles. So two bayonets were ordered, but I was blocked at checkout. The company will not ship bayonets to Pennsylvania because their legal staff say a bayonet could be construed as a dagger and thus it is not legal to ship same to Keystone State residents. The company would ship hunting knives, folding knives or pen knives.
I spoke to customer service and pointed out that bayonets are sold legally in Pennsylvania at gun shops, gun shows and other retail stores. I offered to get a letter from my county district attorney attesting to the legal status of bayonets. All to no avail. Even a supervisor and manager at the company would not budge. What to do?
Plan B was to ship the bayonets as a gift to my significant other in Delaware. All the best...
Gil
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gelandangan Super Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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Strewth..
You guys got the same rule maker as we do ?
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Suzanne Super Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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I think you figured out the best bet and that is to ship to somewhere else, where it can be shipped to you, but better check with the state regs and see if there's some sort of hick-up over shipping bayonets. It could just be their shipper. I had a UPS store recently refuse a guy trying to ship a laser pointer that goes on a pistol. All he had to say was that it goes on a drill press and they'd let him send it. They may deal with only one shipper and they may be of the anti gun ilk, who knows.
I'd like a K31 bayonet... care to share the supplier's name? PM me if you like. No worries if you don't.
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gelandangan Super Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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Ok just googling about the bayonet.
It is true that some (most?) version of K31 bayonet ARE dagger, particularly models after the 1918 issue version.
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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I know I might be opening a small can of worms here...but in reality there isn't a lot of difference between the K31 bayonet and other bayonets. The main difference I can see is the K31 bayonet is sharpened on both sides, whereas the other bayonets are only sharpened on one...which I suppose technically makes the K31 more like a dagger.
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Aloysius Super Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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What do you use to kill a wounded deer or hog? In Germany they even give such "dagger" a special name...
Is there a restriction for carpenters on the length of their nails they use in Pennsylvania?
It does put some remarks on "the land of the free"...
Bajonets for the K31 are very nice, they are Swiss you know.
I gave my arsenal-new Mauser bajonet to my future son-in-law. One has to do strange things to get the daughters out of the house... but I still have the "sword" that fits a Lee Enfield and the small nice "dagger" that fits the SA-FN. The right education teaches people to dress themselves and their rifles too... what are the women in Pennsylvania allowed to wear?
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Gil Martin Super Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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Suzanne,
PM sent. All the best...
Gil
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SingleShotLover Super Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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I used to admire Pennsylvania's common sense, but your current Attorney General is a lunatic. Now I can't renew my PA non-resident by mail as before, and my non-resident Utah permit isn't recognized at all. Not surprised that he can't tell the difference between a "dagger" and a bayonet. Good luck.
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Suzanne Super Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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Got it, Thanks Gil!
Suz
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Bayonets are daggers in PA |
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SingleShotLover wrote: |
Now I can't renew my PA non-resident by mail as before |
Thus due to a change that now requires photo and electronic signature into their system !!!
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