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gelandangan Super Member


Joined: May 07, 2006 Posts: 6447 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: AAARGH! |
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I have just imported a quantity (100kg or so) of tool steel from overseas.
They are supposed to be L6 tool steel for knife making.
They arrived last Friday after 2 weeks wait.
The supplier has been a bit slow in providing datasheet for the metal,
so it is only today i received the info.
Aaand, the specs that they gave me do not point to AISI L6 steel, it is AISI H13 instead..
The difference is a 6 HRC at its maximum hardness, and, it is no longer the "ultimate steel" that I want.
Now the goddam supplier refuses to acknowledge that he gave me the wrong steel,
and the cost of returning the steel is more than the cost of the steel due to Australian Post that are ultra greedy.
AAARRRGGGHHH...
Sorry, just want to vent off a bit..
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PaulS Super Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:15 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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gelandangan,
If there is somplace local you can have the steel tested it may be worth it. You might have been sent the wrong datasheet and the right steel.
If it is the wrong steel then make some Damascus blades using old hack-saw blades or files with the new steel. Fold it over 20 times or more and you will have some fair blades.
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Elvis Super Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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do you have a small claims court???
the threat of legal action maybe what is needed to get results.
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Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15935 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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gelandangan Super Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:32 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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I am sending a small piece for it to be spectograph tested.
It cost quite a bit but I am after peace of mind.
One thing about H13 is that they are created to be HARD when HOT.
So damascus with it may not happen that easily.
I have made a few damascus steel in the last few weeks, I have no problem welding common carbon steel,
but high alloy such as the H13 would be difficult.
The bad thing is that I have advertised and sold a few bars of the wrong stuff, now I feel really bad for misleading my customers.
GODDAM!
Oh yeah, one more thing, there is no small claims court for overseas purchases.
Which is suck.
Then again, I tried to same some $$ buy direct imports, now it looks like maybe its better to buy it at 5x the cost in Oz,
at least I'll be getting what I wanted,
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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Where/who is the supplier? Might be useful info for others.
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gelandangan Super Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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well it is some Chinese supplier, I'll put their name here in a few days if things do not settle favorably.
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English Mike Super Member


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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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If you paid by CC then you could contact your CC company & dispute the payment (Goods not as described/agreed).
If all else fails, slam them in every place you can & send the buggers links to the posts.
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gelandangan Super Member


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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:06 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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Will do, definitely.
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MacD Super Member


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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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Buying anything from China is a crap shoot at best. Sorry to hear that you apparently got shafted. If it makes you feel any better many others have experienced the total lack of business ethics that is rampant in that country. Even if you had asked for a sample you would likely have been sent the right stuff and then received the wrong in the full shipment.
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: Re: AAARGH!~ |
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H13 survives heat, but it is weldable, and can be hot forged, just needs to be forged at around 1800-1900*F if I remember correctly.
It has about half the Chromium as Stainless Steel, and the nice thing with it is that it is ductile under stress, so rather then chip, it tends to deflect and come back to position, which is why its used as a hot work tool steel as most tool steels are brittle and in heat the brittleness allows steels to chip even easier, due to the stress of the heat inside its internal structure.
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gelandangan Super Member


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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: AAARGH! |
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Well, WOOHOOOOO!!!
After a few days of bickering, I was offered some real L6 by the supplier for FREE including shipment to me.
I will not get refund, but I will get at least partial of the steel I want AND i get to keep the H13.
Okay.. there is light at the end of tunnel after all.
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gelandangan Super Member


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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: AAARGH! |
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Vince mate, would you believe H-13 is actually more expensive than L6?
They are very difficult to obtain in small quantity and
are favorite for blacksmiths to make punch and tools because they are very tough even when used in high heat.
Either way i am today a happy man.
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