Utah Fire!!

Ominivision1 · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: Utah Fire!!

Apparently this fire was started by target shooters, I hope Dallan and his family are not in the way of this fire. www.usatoday.com/news/...55767730/1

Vince · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

WOW...that's nasty. How close do you think it is to Dallan's place OV1?

I wonder how they came to the conclusion that the fire was started by a target shooter? I have fired thousand of rounds in the bush and the only ones that I have seen start a fire were tracer rounds when I was in the Army. I find it very difficult to believe that a copper and lead bullet will cause a spark hitting a rock...never seen it happen. Now if it was a steel jacketed bullet I can understand that it could happen, but not a non ferrous bullet. I don't think that even a ferrous bullet would cause a big enough spark to start a bushfire.

Dallan, if this fire is close to you, be safe my friend, and look after your family.

Oh well, I hope that no homes and lives are lost, and that the fire is bought under control very quickly.

Cheers, Vince

Suzanne · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

The 20th target shooting related fire? They better check into that one. It was the BLM that decided it was caused that way. Wonder how much fire investigation experience they have. Well I got kicked out of my regular shooting spot in the woods during a high fire danger warning, wonder how valid that really is? Check out this article the comments after the article are priceless! I'll never shoot a clay pigeon again. Interestingly if you Google "target shooting caused fires" most of the articles are from Utah and California (San Diego). I don't think they like guns very much.

Suz

DallanC · Site Admin Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah

It's around 10 miles from me, can't get here. Started by morons shooting illegal tracers. Popular place to shoot. Blm is going to ban steelcore ammo next to stop sparks. I've seen lead ammo cause sparks when shooting into metal.

We have several major fires going on. Terribly dry conditions here.

DallanC

TRBLSHTR · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

My family has some desert property that we visist every now and then,and the road into the place is like driving on "tank traps" after a rainstorm.the rain washes the dirt away from the once buried jagged lava rocks and leaves a place for you tire to commit suicide!In the past I have used the cheap "chicom" 7.62x39 ammo to reduce the size of the rocks in the roadway-steel jackets do cause sparks-like flint but we have been "fortunate"-No fires in 18 years.We are surrounded by BLM ground,and the blm lackies have proven to be the worst users of fire in our area in the past.It even has cost one or more of them their jobs with their reckless,careless use of fire!I believe that this may be used by the forest circus and the blm as a new behind the scenes ploy to keep hunter and shooters off of public lands if they over report the frequency of these"firearms related fires".Remember just a few months back they were overruled in attempting to keep hunters out of public lands that the leaf licker wackos influenced the gov't to try to shut out hunters and target shooters.Just another new wrinkle. Sniper

TRBLSHTR · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

TRBLSHTR wrote:

:wtf: My family has some desert property that we visist every now and then,and the road into the place is like driving on "tank traps" after a rainstorm.the rain washes the dirt away from the once buried jagged lava rocks and leaves a place for you tire to commit suicide!In the past I have used the cheap "chicom" 7.62x39 ammo to reduce the size of the rocks in the roadway-steel jackets do cause sparks-like flint but we have been "fortunate"-No fires in 18 years.We are surrounded by BLM ground,and the blm lackies have proven to be the worst users of fire in our area in the past.It even has cost one or more of them their jobs with their reckless,careless use of fire!I believe that this may be used by the forest circus and the blm as a new behind the scenes ploy to keep hunter and shooters off of public lands if they over report the frequency of these"firearms related fires".Remember just a few months back they were overruled in attempting to keep hunters out of public lands that the leaf licker wackos influenced the gov't to try to shut out hunters and target shooters.Just another new wrinkle. Sniper

Yes and most certainly tracers cause fires-and people should be fined if caught using them in the dry months of the year!Kinda like fireworks that are unsafe!If ya want to start fires -use gasoline!

Elvis · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

I thought you were supposed to be "putting out fire with gasoline"
so tracers will start a brush fire aye?
maybe the 12ga dragons breath rounds Ive seen info on might but I wouldnt have thought tracer would stay put long enough? trying to get even tinder dry leaf litter to start burning with heat but no flame takes alot of work. dont believe me? try to light a tissue on your exhaust pipe.
could well be another excuse to keep people off the land.

TRBLSHTR · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

Sorry-but no Elvis.I have seen and participated in first hand fire starting with tracers in the military.Even the little 5.56mm can light the grass/brush on fire when the rounds impact the ground and stay put.

gelandangan · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

You stay safe Dallan!
10 miles take no time if the wind is in the right direction.

Elvis · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

ok thanks TRBLSHTR I stand enlightened .

DallanC · Site Admin Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah

New major fire started last night an hour south of me and within a mile of my dads feedlot. Power is out to the area and its under mandatory evacuation. I havent heard anything in a couple hours what the status is.

Its going to be an crazy bad fire season. Snow Melt currently in the mts above my house looks like what the first part of August looks like, and we still have a week of june left. Crazy!

-DallanC

Ominivision1 · Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

Wow, that was one of things officials were hoping not to happen was the lost of electricity. You & your family stay safe.

DallanC · Site Admin Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah

Southern fire near my dads ground is blowing up... from 3000 acres this morning to over 10,000 with high winds. They just evacuated the valley my dads ground is in, homes are already burning.

I live in the center of my town miles from any foothills where fires would be, it would take an crazy number of bad things to all happen at once for my home to be at risk.

-DallanC

slimjim · Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Utah Fire!!

DallanC, I hope your dad and his neighbors stay safe and fair well.

DallanC · Site Admin Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah

20,000 acres big, still around 4% contained. Going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

-DallanC