One would imagine that would make the yote more wary...he wouldn't know what was going on and would back right off.

Cheers, Vince

I expect that as predators the vision of coyotes is probably pretty good. The will detect even small movements if they are at least as well visioned as a coursing hound. This subject intrigued me so I hit the "Google" and found this article.

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Part 2

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Pizza...that's all ya need and them deer cuma runnin' no matter what yer wearin'! Clang it with an Eston framing hammer and Bob's yer uncle!

Thanks MacD!

stovepipe wrote:

Pizza...that's all ya need and them deer cuma runnin' no matter what yer wearin'! Clang it with an Eston framing hammer and Bob's yer uncle!

Something about them Montana deer that likes pizza.

It's really weird I tells ya!

The big thing with hunter orange is for humans to be able to identify other humans. As for game, my old army training kicks in, size, shape, shadow, silhouette, and shine. I use a ghillie suit for hunting in all but the dead of winter and I am in the process of making a winter ghillie for the benefits of addressing the 5 S's. A good camo pattern has no pattern ideally. And as its been stated in this thread that brown is the most common color in nature, if you have grey you will be able to fade into the surroundings very easily.

Totally correct ITD...the five S's are the reason things are seen in the bush...the PRIMARY reason things are NOTICED is firstly, movement followed by a combination of the five S's. Funny how we never forget our training mate.

I have left out smell because you could be a kilometre away, on the other side of the hill, and if the wind is not in your favour, the critters will know you are there, way before any of the other factors come into play.

Grey is good mate...another colour, surprisingly, that tends to blend in well is pink...yeah PINK.

I remember many years ago we did an experiment with a M113 APC and painted it in a mixture of greys and pink...it actually worked well in the bush...well the Aussie bush anyway. I wouldn't use a heap of pink, and definitely not fluoro pink, but it is an option.

Cheers, Vince

flouro pink is one coluor that stands out like the proverbial dogs b#%&s in the tussock country . I shy away from camo with any amount of brown in it as the loopies may think its a deer.

I tend to think that the "safest" colours for, as Elvis so eloquently and aptly names them, the loopies, would be a pattern of blaze orange and black that breaks up the shape but shines like a beacon to another human.

As for the critters...I think that pretty much any colour, with the exception of BLUE, so long as it is in an indiscriminate pattern would do the job.

There has been much talk in the past along the lines of, "the old timers didn't have camos". The old timers wore clothes that probably only got washed when they could find a creek or river to jump into, or they wore vegetable tanned leather jackets, jerkins and chaps/trousers, not to forget beaver skin hats. Whichever they wore, they would have very quickly taken on the colour of the bush or prairie. I have first hand experience of this...and NO not because I'm an old fart...when in the Army, and in the bush, we weren't in a position to wash clothes, and after a week or so they accumulated plenty of dust and dirt and they all looked the same and took on the patina of nature, pretty much regardless of their original colour. We've all seen the colour of our hunted quarry, and they all look very similar, mainly because they usually have a liberal coating of dust, dirt and or mud...and that colour generally tends to blend in nicely with the background.

Cheers, Vince

The reality is that there is absolutely no color that is going to protect you from the "loopies" out there. Here in Illinois it is mandatory to were a minimum of 500 square inches of blaze (or "hunter") orange as well as an orange hat for firearm deer seasons. This last weekend a father and his young son were shot (the father fatally) by another deer "hunter" while both were wearing blaze-orange from head to foot.

Personally I think there should be an open season on idiots...the problem is identifying them before they do damage.

I heard the story on the news about the father passing away, the guy that shot them made the fatal mistake in not positively identifying his target. I agree on the "open season" on these idiots that shoot anything that moves.

Vince wrote:

I tend to think that the "safest" colours for, as Elvis so eloquently and aptly names them, the loopies, would be a pattern of blaze orange and black that breaks up the shape but shines like a beacon to another human. As for the critters...I think that pretty much any colour, with the exception of BLUE, so long as it is in an indiscriminate pattern would do the job. Cheers, Vince

Some jurisdictions claim from studies that the camo orange is not as effective for visiblity for humans as solid orange. In Sask we have to have from the waist up hunter/blaze orange, white, yellow, scarlet(red) OR combination thereof and the hat/cap must be any of these colors EXCEPT white. Now the fluorescing orange can be reduced by using any of the natural (no UV brighteners) laundry detergents available and we aren't married to buying the overpriced "hunting" detergents.

As you say Vince, BLUE is a game breaker. Kiss of death for hunters and especially for combat arms soldiers. I can remember reading about the experiment that your army did back in the day about pink and grey camoflauge when I was in the RDF at Ft Stewart. The was also the reference to the Swiss Army with their Alpen Camoflauge reds and yellows and how they became more effective once the uniforms were washed and worn in. At Stewart we used to do combined training with the Georgia National Guard and their tracks and armour were woodland cam and ours of course was desert cam and we could fade into the bush very easily but we were more visible in the open. They were very easy to see in the bush or in the open.

For winter cam, I like the West German smock that was cotton/poly blend with a low reflective finish and with green stick stars randomly on the material. We had the plain white camo.
I was on MOUT (military operation urban terrain) training at "Bondland" (the german infantry training centre Hammelburg). We were in the town which was about a thousand odd years old and was taken over by order of Hitler for training his troops during WW2. The town was built upon itself and there were tunnels and voids which you could get through.
While I was on the LP/OP, I could see very plainly the difference in the two different camo systems. There was a light snow falling and it was overcast and not too dark as it was about 1000hrs and the attacking forces were coming across an open field and I could see troops at about 1500 metres very clearly in their white camo and I watched them for several minutes, reported and then I looked up picked up on the troops at about 500 metres in the german camo. I was SURPRIZED at not seeing them sooner.

Vince wrote:

I remember many years ago we did an experiment with a M113 APC and painted it in a mixture of greys and pink...it actually worked well in the bush...well the Aussie bush anyway. I wouldn't use a heap of pink, and definitely not fluoro pink, but it is an option. Cheers, Vince

The RAAF played around with different camo colours and styles on the old caribous, this one was effective out in the red centre;

www.adf-gallery.com.au...DF_3A4_208

but stood out like a beacon every where else, especially in areas where the tree's were around 20 ft high, the tail was 38 feet tall.

Came across this interesting website. Some pretty good pics of different camos, although it really tends to favour one brand in particular.

Take note of the black and white pic followed by a colour version of the same pic, about halfway through. Will certainly open your eyes.

Camouflage Study

Cheers, Vince