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tlo7mm Super Member
Joined: Nov 15, 2010 Posts: 426 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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I think I am going to just load myself some 160gr nosler partitions for deer and elk hunting, they are a little heavy compared to what I usually hunt deer with but not really overkill so I figure that way I will be set and should not have to do much adjusting to my gun to hunt anything really. I also usually run something heavier for Elk hunting but there really is no need to in my big 7.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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The Nosler Partitions will be a good choice on big deer and elk from the '06. I used to use the 180 grain for vear (black bear) and was never disappointed but my brother used one on a deer and smashed through the shoulder on the near side and smashed the far shoulder too - ruined a lot of meat compared to the lighter Speer bullets we normally used on deer.
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Aloysius Super Member
Joined: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 2438 Location: B., Belgium
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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PaulS, I think he is a 7 mm addict and in my opinion there is a big difference between .284" and .308". I still believe that a 7 mm is nice for flat shooting, but I learned the hard way to appreciate the extra diameter on the .308 when it's about transmitting energy to the game.
And in .308" I also love the 180 gr. Give me the flat base spitser with the yellow plastic nose from Norma or Sierra's round nose, both 180 gr and I'm confident in getting what I hit (or even aim at).
So when I see a 7 mm RM and a .300 WM and I'm allowed to chose, for me the .300 WM please.
And for your info: I now use the 140 grs Nosler for reloads in the 7x57 and the 7x57R and the 175 grs for factory rounds. And for the Woodmaster in 280 Rem I still didn't find a reload that's decent enough for game.
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tlo7mm Super Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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I do not have a 30-06, I think they are great guns but I have not found anything that a .308 can do that a .284 can't to be honest. I am considering going to a 300 WM for elk hunting and possibly bigger game but I am also thinking I may want to get a .444 Marlin. I will see in time. I also have never lost anything that I have shot at with my Big 7.
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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It's all about having confidence in yourself and the equipment you use !!!
Went to Canada a few years back on a moose hunt......I carried my little 7mm08 with 150gr Partitions........the 30-06 stayed home in the safe !!!
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tlo7mm Super Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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So did you get the Moose or not? I am not sure I would hunt Moose with a 7mm-08 but I have talked to those that have.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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I've never hunted moose but I would want more than 150 grains of lead to do that job. A friend of mine planted a 180 gr bullet (not sure ofthe brand) in the shoulder of a bull coming out of a bog. It disintegrated on the mud that had dried on his skin. Three shots later and about 30 feet from him the bull dropped to the ground. You see he didn't much like getting slapped and he charged. he had a bruise on his shoulder and three 180 grain slugs in his chest.
This may not be a "normal" case but you have to remember that more people are killed by deer each year than by bears...... a moose is a very large deer.
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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No moose........never got the opportunity !!!
If I were going to shoulder shoot an elk or moose I'd probably use something else too. But I don't believe in it nor do I attempt it on any animal.
Here again it's about confidence and knowing what you and your equipment are capable of. I know and understand my equipment isn't best suited for that sort of shot.
For those that say what if a shoulder shot is the only opportunity you have and play the what if game. If only I would have carried a bigger gun, what if I had a bigger bullet, maybe I should have brought a bigger gun with bigger bullets.
My answer to that is simple...... wait for the right opportunity or go find another animal to harvest.....after all isn't that what hunting is all about ???
I personally don't know anyone that has harvested everything they've seen !!!
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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Ok I'll play along !!!
A .264 140gr. has a sectional density of .287
A little Berger .243 115gr. VLD has a sectional density of .278
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chambered221 Super Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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Glad you've found us here at Hunting Nut....Welcome aboard !!!
I just can't make heads or tails of what your trying to say or imply......please elaborate more on your sectional density thoughts.
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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Chambered, I agree with you on knowing the limitations of your equipment (not to mention yourself) and passing up shots that are marginal for what you're using. We don't HAVE TO take a shot, unless there is something trying to kill us.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Gun vs reload |
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Sectional desity may be one measure of a bullets penetrating power but it is not a good measure for what kind of damage it will do when it enters live game. The best measure of choosing a bullet for a certain size gane is the OGW (Optimum Game Weight) formula that one of the big name shooters (I'd have to look up his name again) came up with. I especially like it because it closely matches my own formula that was derived from measurements, penetration tests, and expansion tests that I did myself.
Factors included are the weight of the bullet, velocity, diameter, dynamic decelleration and expansion/upset. It is all converted to numbers and ratios and while it is not perfect for every bullet design it is the best system I have ever found.
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