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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

This is worth a read.

Gun Owner Sent to Jail

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

A real shame, there are numerous states that I would not consider residing in, New Jersey is one of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

He should have moved to Pennsylvania and visited New Jersey without his handguns. All the best...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

Unfortunately the judge is a human with his own prejudice.
Reading this story make me seethe inside,
because the law there is exactly as it is in this beautiful land of OZ I live in.

As gun owners, we are all guilty until proven innocent.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

gelandangan wrote:
Unfortunately the judge is a human with his own prejudice.
Reading this story make me seethe inside,
because the law there is exactly as it is in this beautiful land of OZ I live in.

As gun owners, we are all guilty until proven innocent.

AMEN Gelan...I feel exactly the same way...I am furious with this decision, not because I think the guy was treated wrongly, but because it is obvious the Judge is an ANTI and manipulated the law and court proceedings to achieve his desired outcome!!!

I think that this guy has a very strong case for appeal to the Federal Court, citing the Federal Law, and having all of his costs picked up by the State on acquittal (which I can see as the only honest and fair result).

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

That is so totally insane, as are New Jersey's laws.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
gelandangan wrote:
Unfortunately the judge is a human with his own prejudice.
Reading this story make me seethe inside,
because the law there is exactly as it is in this beautiful land of OZ I live in.

As gun owners, we are all guilty until proven innocent.

AMEN Gelan...I feel exactly the same way...I am furious with this decision, not because I think the guy was treated wrongly, but because it is obvious the Judge is an ANTI and manipulated the law and court proceedings to achieve his desired outcome!!!

I think that this guy has a very strong case for appeal to the Federal Court, citing the Federal Law, and having all of his costs picked up by the State on acquittal (which I can see as the only honest and fair result).

Cheers, Vince

THIS.

His mother must feel terrible - as well she should. How in the world can she have thought any good would come from calling the police to say she was worried about hher son's mental state?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:09 am    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

44marty wrote:
Vince wrote:
gelandangan wrote:
Unfortunately the judge is a human with his own prejudice.
Reading this story make me seethe inside,
because the law there is exactly as it is in this beautiful land of OZ I live in.

As gun owners, we are all guilty until proven innocent.

AMEN Gelan...I feel exactly the same way...I am furious with this decision, not because I think the guy was treated wrongly, but because it is obvious the Judge is an ANTI and manipulated the law and court proceedings to achieve his desired outcome!!!

I think that this guy has a very strong case for appeal to the Federal Court, citing the Federal Law, and having all of his costs picked up by the State on acquittal (which I can see as the only honest and fair result).

Cheers, Vince

THIS.

His mother must feel terrible - as well she should. How in the world can she have thought any good would come from calling the police to say she was worried about hher son's mental state?

Yes Marty...maybe she should feel bad that she has "put him in" to the Police...but then again mate...put yourself in her boots...she felt that he presented a danger to himself...what would you do?

I am a Justice of the Peace here in Queensland and part of my responsibilities falls under the Mental Health Act. I have seen first hand, on two occasions, the anguish and fear a parent goes through when they genuinely believe that their child may self harm. In fact, I ordered a teenager to be examined by a Dr or Mental Health Practitioner for this very reason only a week ago. The Police were also involved. There are times when it just has to be done for the sake of the person involved. When it involves a parent and a child, I call it "tough love". Its not an easy decision to make though...so I don't blame the Mother for doing what she did...she feared for her son's safety and life.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

It is true that I don't know the circumstances or the resources available to her. I would hope that the family had already exhuasted all other means of hepling the son get his head together - intervention by family and friends, psychological counseling, etc. etc.
The way I read the article somehow makes me think that the mother acted out of naivete rather than desperation. I could very well be wrong there.
The New Jersey Sate Police, though? Lucky he returned home. No matter what his state of mind, I would think they would be more of a threat to him than he could be to himself, even if he was standing on a bridge railing and considering jumping.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

I hope you are right mate about the family exhausting all other means first...but then again, fear does funny things to people...they don't always make rational decisions.

Wow...are the New Jersey State Police that bad? From the article, I got the impression that the Police, to a certain extent, were supporting the guy's story. I still feel that the decision made by the Judge was flawed...evidence the fact that he no longer holds a judicial position.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

And there you have it.............American justice at it's finest !!!

This is the kind of results you get when you allow bias on the bench and get rid of constitutional law. I'm just wondering if they had to release a hardened criminal on parole (for good behavior of course) to make room for this guy ???

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

I have been following this story and I cannot believe the ignorance of the law, the judge (now no longer involved as he was taken off the case) makes you wonder when the time will come where we decide when enough is enough.

I'm sure his mom is thinking twice about this but now there is talk about having Gov Christy pardon or exonerate him.??

Did this really have to go this far? I don't think so.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

Can't fix stupid!!!!



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

Just putting a different spin on it.
Surely a miscarriage of justice appeal would be appropriate, I don't know how its done over there but it seems overbearing by the police, search and seizure without warrant or good cause to suspect?
In NZ we do have certain statutory powers but to use these we gotta cross the t's and dot the i's and be prepared to back ourselves up in court to provide the good cause.

You sure do things different in each state of the USA which also confuses situations.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Responsible Gun Owner Jailed Reply with quote

In the USofA we submit to unlawful searches all the time.
We do it in the name of "war on drugs", airport security, and "national safety".
There is no reason to search me when I go to a ball game, or fly to see my kids in the same state, or driving down the road.

Too many people submit to search in the name of cooperation. I don't go to ball games or concerts. I have given up flying and if I get pulled over and a law enforcement officer wants to see whats in my trunk I tell him he needs a warrant. I will even agree to wait while he gets one if he will place me under arrest. I haven't been in jail yet so I guess I am not pushing too hard.

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