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ElyBoy Super Member


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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member


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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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Chambered, the 7mm-08 vs .280 Rem would be the same argument as the .308 vs .30-06. No real difference until maybe you got into the heavy bullets. For that matter there is no real difference between any of the four cartridges, along with the .270, etc.
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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Pumpkinslinger wrote: |
Chambered, the 7mm-08 vs .280 Rem would be the same argument as the .308 vs .30-06. No real difference until maybe you got into the heavy bullets. For that matter there is no real difference between any of the four cartridges, along with the .270, etc. |
Now someone gets it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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I guess you guys missed the stick poking thing !!!
Did you really think I wanted to argue the two ???
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member


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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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Chambered, nah, I didn't. Just took advantage to try to make a point.
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lesterg3 Super Member


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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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mulletboy
I ain't talking about no deer. 
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whittling Super Member


Joined: Apr 21, 2008 Posts: 586 Location: Texas (home state is Mass)
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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I love the .308 but I prefer the 30-06 if for no other reason I'm addicted to the M-1 .
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lesterg3 Super Member


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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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And I absolutely loved the 7.62mm M40 I used in Vietnam also, but I don't have it. They made me give it back when I got home.
But, it is probably the most outstanding rifle I have ever used. Of course with some help from my Dad it was modified a tiny bit, he sent me a much better scope and a Navy machinist helped me install it.
Anyway, that was a long long time ago, but I believe because of that rifle I and many others are still here today. And, if I could afford to get one I would, in a heartbeat.
Memories, they are great.
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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whittling Super Member


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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:58 am Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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7.62 -54R - That's a nice shell that's been in use since 1891 .
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Dimitri Super Member


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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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whittling wrote: |
7.62 -54R - That's a nice shell that's been in use since 1891 . |
If we are going by age the 303British has been in service of King and Country since 1888 (actual production started in 1884 for the Lee-Metford, and it was some time before that when it was being developed for the then new rifle 1888 was when the rifle and ammunition were "officially" adopted) originally meant as a Black Powder round.
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lesterg3 Super Member


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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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I guess the M40 I used in Nam is why I was so interested in the .308. Further, I believe that in a time of crisis the cartridges as well as used brass for the .308, and the 7.62x51mm NATO will be more available than some other cartridges, with the exception of the 22. Dimitri, as you advised the US military is using this round in its machine guns. So, there should be lots of brass around. But, your suggestion of the .303 British is not a good comparison, a quick look at ballistics table indicates the .308 is superior.
I have used a lot of rifles in my days, but I believe the M40 was the best. I cannot substantiate my feelings, but I slept with this gun for nearly two years, so my interest is probably not objective, but is most certainly subjective.
It saved my life many times, and Katie was well know in my troop. As I said the scope was not standard issue, but for the life of me I cannot remember who manufactured it, but it was a 6X14, and was much better that the issued Unertl 10x .
Any way, I will be buying a Savage .308 caliber, and will customized it as close as I can to Katie. Yeah, I know the original Katie was a Remington, but I like the Savage.
To cater to the -06 crowd, I will also be getting one of these too.
But, here's the sad thing. I have no doubts that Miz Dee will not allow me to sleep with Katie 2. 
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson
"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."--James Madison
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Elvis Super Member


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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: 308vis30/06 |
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did someone forget the 12ga. lots of them around heaps of loads in circulation not hard to adapt them just drop a kids marble in instead of the pellets etc.dont give much problems and they have seen lots of military service too.
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