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Always Check the Obvious DOH!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Always Check the Obvious DOH!!! Reply with quote

Thanks for the good advice. I don't have a torque screwdriver. I may invest in one if I keep buying rifles :-)

Some more information:

- the rings that loosened and the Weaver bases are both aluminum.

- while marked and marketed as fitting both weaver and picatinny bases they are slightly too narrow for the weaver bases which causes the clamp to tilt vertically when they are tighted. This is exacerbated by the incorrect distance from the base of the ring and the apex of the notch in the clamp. This also causes the nut to not be in equal contact with the clamp all around the nut's face.

- the Weaver rings are steel and fit perfectly. They have a Torks cap screw for tightening the clamp.

Now I think it is time for a wee rant.

My remark about "China" is based upon my and others experience with too many "Chinese"products that have poor quality and some that have proved downright unsafe. I am talking everything from tires to anchor chain. Many "North American" manufacturers' products that are now sourced completely or partially from there and in India have also declined in quality. The current philosophy appears to be one of substituting replacing defective consumer returns for proper factory QA. The problem is finding anything that isn't made in India or China.

Taking profits made in our countries and then investing them in Chinese factories while gutting jobs jobs at home is what our business leaders have been doing for 20 years now. I guess "Freedom" does not pay well enough for the wealthy. Must be all those pesky worker safety rules, labor laws, workers who want a living wage, environmentalists, honest politicians, consumer protection laws and access to courts that make moving to "China" so profitable.

Rant ended. Not meant to give offense to anyone.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Always Check the Obvious DOH!!! Reply with quote

MacD i agree with you 100% and I have your 6!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Always Check the Obvious DOH!!! Reply with quote

do you remember 20 years ago the term Jap crap was used alot.. now they produce some great goods... China is a wee way behind give them a few years to catch up.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: Always Check the Obvious DOH!!! Reply with quote

MacD wrote:
Thanks for the good advice. I don't have a torque screwdriver. I may invest in one if I keep buying rifles :-)

Some more information:

- the rings that loosened and the Weaver bases are both aluminum.

- while marked and marketed as fitting both weaver and picatinny bases they are slightly too narrow for the weaver bases which causes the clamp to tilt vertically when they are tighted. This is exacerbated by the incorrect distance from the base of the ring and the apex of the notch in the clamp. This also causes the nut to not be in equal contact with the clamp all around the nut's face.

- the Weaver rings are steel and fit perfectly. They have a Torks cap screw for tightening the clamp.

Now I think it is time for a wee rant.

My remark about "China" is based upon my and others experience with too many "Chinese"products that have poor quality and some that have proved downright unsafe. I am talking everything from tires to anchor chain. Many "North American" manufacturers' products that are now sourced completely or partially from there and in India have also declined in quality. The current philosophy appears to be one of substituting replacing defective consumer returns for proper factory QA. The problem is finding anything that isn't made in India or China.

Taking profits made in our countries and then investing them in Chinese factories while gutting jobs jobs at home is what our business leaders have been doing for 20 years now. I guess "Freedom" does not pay well enough for the wealthy. Must be all those pesky worker safety rules, labor laws, workers who want a living wage, environmentalists, honest politicians, consumer protection laws and access to courts that make moving to "China" so profitable.

Rant ended. Not meant to give offense to anyone.

Is it a rant if its true?

Elvis also has a point.
The other thing is china will and can produce very good quality items, its just that your/our companies dont want to pay for it, so we wear the crap at still high prices.
What gets me is who do these dicks think is going to be able to afford this stuff if everyone is out of a job?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Always Check the Obvious DOH!!! Reply with quote

all my AR scope rings are alu. The ones sold by Burris are top quality but there is no identification as to what country they are made in. Your poorly working rings sound like my second pair (the ones that made my buy the Burris rings). The $7 made-in-China rings are precision made even though they are inexpensive. I got them initially for my .22 AR but have been using them on all my ARs and have several pairs. Its hard to know what quality you will get when you take pot luck. I expect Burris Tactical Rings to be good quality and had feedback from others they were. For the others, I'm 1 for 2. Well 1 for 4 since I bought 3 pairs of the good ones.

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