HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: RichardZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 13126

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 529
BOT: 1
Total: 530
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Your Account
05: Forums
06: Home
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Forums
11: Forums
12: Forums
13: Your Account
14: Your Account
15: Home
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Home
19: Statistics
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Statistics
23: Forums
24: Forums
25: Forums
26: Photo Albums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Forums
32: Forums
33: Forums
34: Home
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Forums
38: Forums
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Home
43: Forums
44: Your Account
45: Forums
46: Your Account
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Photo Albums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Photo Albums
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Your Account
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Forums
61: Photo Albums
62: Forums
63: Home
64: Forums
65: Forums
66: Forums
67: Photo Albums
68: Your Account
69: Your Account
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Photo Albums
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Your Account
81: Forums
82: Forums
83: Your Account
84: Your Account
85: Forums
86: Forums
87: Forums
88: Your Account
89: Forums
90: Forums
91: Your Account
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Forums
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Home
98: Photo Albums
99: Forums
100: Forums
101: Forums
102: Home
103: Photo Albums
104: Your Account
105: Forums
106: News
107: Your Account
108: Your Account
109: Forums
110: Home
111: Forums
112: Home
113: Forums
114: Home
115: Forums
116: Forums
117: Forums
118: Forums
119: Forums
120: Forums
121: Forums
122: Your Account
123: Forums
124: Forums
125: Forums
126: Your Account
127: Forums
128: Home
129: Forums
130: Forums
131: Home
132: Forums
133: Forums
134: Your Account
135: Home
136: Photo Albums
137: Forums
138: Forums
139: Your Account
140: Forums
141: Forums
142: Home
143: Forums
144: Forums
145: Photo Albums
146: Forums
147: Forums
148: Forums
149: Home
150: Forums
151: Photo Albums
152: Forums
153: Forums
154: Forums
155: Forums
156: Forums
157: Your Account
158: Forums
159: Home
160: Home
161: Your Account
162: Forums
163: Forums
164: Forums
165: Photo Albums
166: Forums
167: Your Account
168: Forums
169: Your Account
170: Forums
171: Home
172: Your Account
173: Your Account
174: Photo Albums
175: Forums
176: Your Account
177: Forums
178: Forums
179: Your Account
180: Forums
181: Your Account
182: Forums
183: Forums
184: Forums
185: Forums
186: Forums
187: Forums
188: Forums
189: Forums
190: Your Account
191: Forums
192: Forums
193: Forums
194: Forums
195: Home
196: Forums
197: Forums
198: Forums
199: Forums
200: Forums
201: Forums
202: Your Account
203: Forums
204: Forums
205: Forums
206: Forums
207: Forums
208: Photo Albums
209: Forums
210: Forums
211: Forums
212: Home
213: Forums
214: Forums
215: Forums
216: Forums
217: Your Account
218: Forums
219: Your Account
220: Forums
221: Forums
222: Home
223: Your Account
224: Home
225: Home
226: Your Account
227: Forums
228: Forums
229: Forums
230: Photo Albums
231: Forums
232: Home
233: Forums
234: Photo Albums
235: Forums
236: Your Account
237: Forums
238: Forums
239: Forums
240: Forums
241: Forums
242: Forums
243: Your Account
244: Forums
245: Your Account
246: Forums
247: Forums
248: Forums
249: Photo Albums
250: Home
251: Home
252: Forums
253: Forums
254: Photo Albums
255: Forums
256: Forums
257: Photo Albums
258: Forums
259: Your Account
260: Forums
261: Forums
262: Home
263: Your Account
264: Forums
265: Forums
266: Forums
267: Your Account
268: Forums
269: Your Account
270: Forums
271: Home
272: Forums
273: Forums
274: Forums
275: Forums
276: Forums
277: Forums
278: Your Account
279: Home
280: Forums
281: Forums
282: Home
283: Forums
284: Forums
285: Forums
286: Forums
287: Forums
288: Forums
289: Forums
290: Forums
291: Your Account
292: Forums
293: Forums
294: Forums
295: Your Account
296: Forums
297: Forums
298: Forums
299: Forums
300: Forums
301: Forums
302: Your Account
303: Your Account
304: Forums
305: Forums
306: Forums
307: Your Account
308: Forums
309: Your Account
310: Forums
311: Your Account
312: Forums
313: Forums
314: Forums
315: Forums
316: Your Account
317: Your Account
318: Your Account
319: Photo Albums
320: Forums
321: Forums
322: Forums
323: Forums
324: Forums
325: Forums
326: Home
327: Forums
328: Forums
329: Forums
330: Forums
331: Forums
332: Forums
333: Forums
334: Forums
335: News
336: Forums
337: Forums
338: Forums
339: Forums
340: Forums
341: Your Account
342: Photo Albums
343: Forums
344: Photo Albums
345: Home
346: Forums
347: Forums
348: Forums
349: Forums
350: Forums
351: Forums
352: Forums
353: Forums
354: Forums
355: Forums
356: Your Account
357: Forums
358: Your Account
359: Forums
360: Photo Albums
361: Forums
362: Forums
363: Forums
364: Forums
365: Your Account
366: Forums
367: Forums
368: Forums
369: Forums
370: Your Account
371: Forums
372: Your Account
373: Photo Albums
374: Forums
375: Forums
376: Forums
377: Forums
378: Forums
379: Forums
380: Forums
381: Forums
382: Forums
383: Forums
384: Photo Albums
385: Forums
386: Your Account
387: Forums
388: Forums
389: Forums
390: Photo Albums
391: Forums
392: Forums
393: Forums
394: Forums
395: Photo Albums
396: Forums
397: Forums
398: Forums
399: Forums
400: Forums
401: Forums
402: Forums
403: Forums
404: Forums
405: Photo Albums
406: Forums
407: Forums
408: Photo Albums
409: Forums
410: Forums
411: Forums
412: Home
413: Forums
414: Forums
415: Forums
416: Forums
417: Forums
418: Your Account
419: Forums
420: Forums
421: Forums
422: Forums
423: Forums
424: Forums
425: Home
426: Home
427: News
428: Forums
429: Photo Albums
430: Your Account
431: Forums
432: Home
433: Forums
434: Photo Albums
435: Forums
436: Your Account
437: Your Account
438: Photo Albums
439: Your Account
440: Forums
441: Home
442: Your Account
443: Forums
444: Forums
445: Forums
446: Forums
447: Photo Albums
448: Forums
449: Your Account
450: Forums
451: Forums
452: Home
453: Forums
454: Forums
455: Forums
456: Forums
457: Forums
458: Your Account
459: Forums
460: Your Account
461: Home
462: Forums
463: Forums
464: Forums
465: Forums
466: Forums
467: Forums
468: Your Account
469: Forums
470: Forums
471: Forums
472: Photo Albums
473: Your Account
474: News
475: Your Account
476: Forums
477: Home
478: Forums
479: Forums
480: Forums
481: Forums
482: Forums
483: Forums
484: Forums
485: Your Account
486: Forums
487: Forums
488: Home
489: Forums
490: Forums
491: Dev - do not use
492: Forums
493: Forums
494: Your Account
495: Your Account
496: Forums
497: Your Account
498: Your Account
499: Your Account
500: Forums
501: Forums
502: Forums
503: Your Account
504: Forums
505: Forums
506: Forums
507: Forums
508: Forums
509: Forums
510: Forums
511: Forums
512: Home
513: Forums
514: Forums
515: Forums
516: Forums
517: Forums
518: Photo Albums
519: Photo Albums
520: Forums
521: Forums
522: Forums
523: Forums
524: Forums
525: Forums
526: Forums
527: Forums
528: Forums
529: Forums
  BOT:
01: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 308
 Pictures: 2451
  · Views: 820725
  · Votes: 1316
  · Comments: 86
 

Tracer Question
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
rrogacki
Member
Member


Joined: Apr 22, 2006
Posts: 135
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Every time a Cheaper Than Dirt catalog comes in the mail, my 12 year old hounds me about buying tracer rounds to bring to the range. They always seem way too expensive and I heard that they aren't too reliable either. Now they seem to be selling just the tracer bullets and I was thinking that I could reload them and not spend a fortune. A friend of mine said that you can't just use any powder because it is not hot enough to light up the tracer. Does anyone know if this is true. If it is, what commercial powder can I use, or is this just a really bad idea.

Thank you all.

_________________
"Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round...
Back to top
View user's profile MSN Messenger
GroovyJack
Member
Member


Joined: May 21, 2005
Posts: 621
Location: Bama

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

I think your friend is wrong here , the tracer has a pyrotechnic chemical in the base that ignites when it leaves the barrel .. They use the same powder as the regular ammunition ..

I was a Gunner in the Navy for many years , and dealt with them quite a bit .. They are neat to watch , but , be careful , they will set the woods on fire ..

You will also find that the weight between individual bullets varies a fair bit .. They will not have the same POA as the loaded ammunition , they are used to give a real good idea of where you're sending the regular ammunition , to correct your aiming point .. We loaded every fifth round as a tracer ..

They will not hurt your barrel to the best of my knowledge ..

_________________
My Goal In Life Is To Be As Good Of A Person As My Dog Already Thinks I Am
Back to top
View user's profile
Grumulkin
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Apr 16, 2007
Posts: 365
Location: Central Ohio

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

I've tried the Cheaper than Dirt tracer ammo. It's not particularly accurate and only a small percentage of the tracers ignite. Also, a lot of ranges prohibit tracer ammo.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
GroovyJack
Member
Member


Joined: May 21, 2005
Posts: 621
Location: Bama

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Maybe how they got it , maybe culls ..

_________________
My Goal In Life Is To Be As Good Of A Person As My Dog Already Thinks I Am
Back to top
View user's profile
rrogacki
Member
Member


Joined: Apr 22, 2006
Posts: 135
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Thank you both for the information. I don't know if I'm going to do this since I don't like my range being extra crispy.

_________________
"Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round...
Back to top
View user's profile MSN Messenger
K.W.
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Mar 19, 2007
Posts: 348
Location: Finland

PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Have had Canadin military trasers 30-06 cal. It was takin aboat 100 yards when start burning. I put those bullets Finnish 7,62x39. No problem.
Back to top
View user's profile
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Military Tracer Ammo (made in the USA) uses the fallowing powders:

30 Carbine:
M27 Tracer - 30 Carbine - WC 820

30-06 Springfield
M11 Tracer - MR 4895
M25 Tracer - WC 852

45 ACP
M26 Tracer - SR 7670

50 BMG
M1 Tracer - IMR 5010
M10 Tracer - IMR 5010
M17 Tracer - IMR 5010
M20 A/P Incendiary Tracer - IMR 5010
M860 Tracer Plastic Practice - 10B101

50 Spotter (for the special M8C Spotter rifle)
M48A1 Spotter Tracer - IMR 7383
M48A2 Spotter Tracer - IMR 7383

5.56x45mm NATO
M196 Tracer - WC 844 or IMR 8298M
M856 Tracer - WC 844

7.62x51mm NATO
M62 Tracer - WC 846
M62 Overhead Fire Mission Tracer - WC846
M276 Dim Tracer - WC 846

Got this from the TM 43-0001-27 "Army Ammunition Data Sheets Small Caliber Ammunition" dated April 1994.

Edit to add:
By the way you may want to check out www.wideners.com/itemv...78|281|296

5.56mm 55gr Tracer 70$ for 1,200 bullets. (just under 6 cents each)
30-06Spring 145gr Tracer 48$ for 1,200 bullets. (thats 4 cents each)
7.62x51mm 143gr Tracer 80$ for 1,200 bullets. (just over 6.5 cents each)

Smile

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dawgdad
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Posts: 1065
Location: On the Prairie

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Ther are two types of tracers, the ones that ignite as they leave the barrel and those which do not light up until about 150 -200 yards down range. (so they do not follow them back to your position...duh!)I was shooting the latter in my '03 at a 100 yard berm and thought I had a box of duds. Back em up to the long range and they glow just fine.... Laughing


BTW - Had a fellow trying some out on the 300 yard line. He picked his head up to make sure he could see the tracer when he shot and lowered the muzzle just a bit. He skipped the bullet off of the ground about 250 yards out and you could follow the trace of the ricochet for over a half mile as it cleared the berm..... Shocked . A valuable lesson learned by a couple of young shooters about making sure of your back stop and just how far an 06 will carry. Thank goodness there is nothing but corn for 3 miles behind that berm.

_________________
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Crackshot
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Oct 23, 2005
Posts: 1693
Location: Mich

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Dawgdad nailed it! I purchased some for my 50BMG and they did not ignite untill 200+ yards down range. They were very bright though, when they plowed into the back stop they smoldered for a few minutes. veery Cool! Very Happy

_________________
The human mind is the weapon, the gun is just one of its tools.
Back to top
View user's profile ICQ Number AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Crackshot,

Sorry for the off-topic talking but I was wondering. What type of 50cal do you have ?? Confused

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SwampFox
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 15, 2005
Posts: 1040
Location: Destin, Florida

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Guys,
I did not see this caution in the posts so will add it to the thread. If you shoot any tracers at all, be very carefull. A tracer will set the world on fire. In a dry period a tracer in the woods, that has stopped moving but is still burning, is like dropping a flare into the brush.

I have de-linked many belts of MG ammo to remove the tracers in order to prevent fires on a military range. Most civilian ranges will not allow tracers due to the fire hazard. So before you fire a round down range, check your range regs and make very sure your backstop is not flamable.
Ed

_________________
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Handloader
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 22, 2005
Posts: 1032
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

I appreciate SwampFox's post and words of caution. Yet, to me, there is a larger issue present. Tracers have a legit military application that has no corollary to private useage. They are prohibited for hunting and disallowed at most rifle ranges. As has been pointed out, they have a slightly different point of impact.

What remains is our curiosity to see what happens when we fire them in our own rifle and to see the little glow as the distance extends. My opinion is that the disadvantages far outweigh the curiosity factor.

I am not for controlling access to tracers or AP. I simply fail to see the need for such ammo that has no application in private useage.
Back to top
View user's profile
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Handloader,

Tracers would make a kid interested in rifles at a young age with the "cool" lights. Wink

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Handloader
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 22, 2005
Posts: 1032
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Dimitri: and grenades might make even more of an impession? How about a backyard thermonuclear ant destroyer kit?! Kewl dude.
Back to top
View user's profile
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5944

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Tracer Question Reply with quote

Handloader,

Now don't get carried away! Laughing Just saying sometimes you need to keep young kids interested. Smile

Now I've never fired tracers, but I've had a urge to want to fire them from a young age. Might get myself some 308Win tracers when I get my M1A to shoot. Laughing

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by *Dizfunkshunal* :.