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dhc4ever Super Member


Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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MacD wrote: |
Is there some reason not to reuse the powder? |
It having been wet may cause a change in burn rate.
How much I dont know, at the least it will clump into bigger bits.
The old English navy found that the burn rate on black powder increased dramatically if the powder was wet and then dried out.
As much as I hate to rate Mythbusters as a source of scientific fact they did a very good demo on the burn rate differences, the wet then dried powder was something like 5 x faster than the dry non wet powder.
Nitrocellulose is different but why take the chance?
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jcruthis Member


Joined: Apr 14, 2011 Posts: 70 Location: NW MO
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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i was with mac in wondering why...i just figured you threw it out out of aggravation..lol.. seems you guys have yet again taught me something new, thanks DHC
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Elvis Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9089 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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Im pleased someone else asked.
personally I would reuse it if its good enough going in in should be good enough still I would have thought. plenty of people pull rounds to reuse the components.
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Fireman_DJ Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2011 Posts: 104 Location: Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:42 am Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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If I know the components ARE good, I'll reuse them. But if anything is unknown (like what primer or powder is used) those components get recycled for non-ammo uses.
If I'm pulling because of misfires, everything but the metal gets recycled for non-ammo uses.
It's not just the potential risk of injury or damage, it's the risk of inaccuracy of the rounds when I'm spending thousands of dollars trying to get the best out of my rifle.
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Vince Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15507 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:35 am Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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AMEN DJ...I agree totally mate.
If you are seeking perfection, using a component that you feel is less than perfect is a compromise at best.
Look at how many of us check our components, measure and weigh cases, ensure flash holes are exact, necks are measured and trimmed for precise and consistent grip of the projectile...check projectiles, weigh them, measure the dimensions and group projectiles of like size and weight, then carefully seat them to a precise distance off the lands...and all of this more often than not for hunting rounds. If I am not mistaken, DJFireman either shoots Bench Rest of 1000 yard target shooting...both of which demand precise, as close to perfect rounds as possible.
I am happy to recycle components, but then again I and a tight ars3...so long as I know them to be OK. The chance of water getting into a loaded round (unless submerged for some time) is fairly remote, so I will look at the powder and make a decision on it's viability. Having said that, I have never encountered this problem, but if recovered powder is obviously clumping because of moisture...out it goes, otherwise it goes into a clearly marked separate container (if there is a fair quantity of it) for future use. If it is only one or two rounds, the powder goes back into the container it came from, which is given a good shake to mix it well so any difference is pretty much negated.
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Fireman_DJ Member


Joined: Aug 11, 2011 Posts: 104 Location: Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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You can just call me DJ.
And it's F/Class shooting in the F/TR class shooting up to 1000 yards with a .308.
My current rifle is a Rem700 Varmint with Wilddog tactical stock, Niko Sterling 10-50x60 scope and Harris bi-pod. Coming soon is a new trigger (Rifle Basix), a new sling (Tactical Interventions Slip Cuff detachable) and a new scope (Nightforce 5.5-22x56 NXS).
And thinking of building a new rifle for long range "fun (the calibre will exceed the max allowed for F/Class). Maybe a .375 Cheytac.
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Elvis Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9089 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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sounds like a good bunny gun.
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ElyBoy Super Member


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 1541 Location: Forest Lake Minnesota
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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I just started reloading for my AR.
I have never loaded .223 and picked up a set of Lee dies.
I have used Lee dies on pistol but never on rifle cartridges.
Right off the bat my brass got stuck in the sizing die.
Fixed that one up, and my next one got stuck.
On this, I have a bad feeling about the Lee die on rifle loads, and to top that off, I'm new to reloading .223.
I figure on tossing these Lee dies and getting a good set of Redding.
For me, better safe than sorry, and I'll take the loss of $30.00 to a sorry learning experience.
Just like you guys say, if you have a bad feeling, don't proceed.
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Elvis Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9089 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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I load .223 all the time. check you have the dies set up correctly ,most reloading manuals will tell you how, and make sure the lubing process is done corectly. that said check your brass out carefully as I use GI brass as I was given a sack full and some is great but the other type has loose primer pockets and will grab in the dies (I have redding that I was given) some of the brass has wierd extraction marks probly from being extracted under full auto conditions. also give the new dies a good clean there maybe some crap on the inside from sitting around on the shelf.
hope that helps.
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Joined: Aug 11, 2011 Posts: 104 Location: Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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I shoot F/Class with it, but that's not all I do with it.
It has been used for hunting (and will again in the future).
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MacD Super Member


Joined: Apr 08, 2011 Posts: 1052 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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I have Lee dies both full and neck sizing. I have never had any problems with the dies only with the guy attached to the press handle. (That would be me.)
Follow the instructions for setting up and lube the brass including the inside of the neck. I also polished the inside of the dies using a light abrasive metal polish, flitz.
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Suzanne Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 3323 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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Elyboy I have six sets of Lee rifle dies, no problems. I bet your lube procedures need looking into. You have to get the inside neck lubed and the outside, but not the shoulder area. The pistol dies are carbide and don't need to be lubed and maybe that's what you're used to, but the rifle dies have to be.
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Ominivision1 Super Member


Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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ElyBoy
I use a smidgen of graphite powder to lube the insides of case necks, I have a small container of kiwi shoe polish that holds the graphite powder and dip the case ever so little into the graphite. Pencils also work great to wipe the inside of the neck also since the "lead" is graphite.
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ElyBoy Super Member


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 1541 Location: Forest Lake Minnesota
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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I tried the powder on the necks with no change.
Then, just for giggles, I sprayed some RemOil on the case, and it worked just fine. Smooth as silk.
Then, with the confidence that only comes with 40 years of reloading  I saturated a case with my Hornady One Shot and promptly got the case stuck again
Actually, this is kind of fun. Too many years trying out new loads, and everything going too smooth.
Now I have to figure if this is my fault, which is quite possible seeing that along with all of my pistols and a multitude of high powered rifles, I have never reloaded a light caliber round like the .223, or is it the die.
The one thing that does stick out, and I will ask all of you this, is that spraying on the RemOil everything worked just fine, but with the One Shot it got stuck again.
This shows a very tight tolerance in the full length resizing die to me.
Any thoughts would help, because Judy is going in for a 3 hour Pet Test in the morning, and only 2 miles of highway separates the waiting room and a fine gun shop with some Redding dies.
One thing that I haven't mentioned is that I am sizing once fired just tumbled Federal brass.
Eric
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dhc4ever Super Member


Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: When It doesn't Feel Right............. |
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Elyboy,
as the others have mentioned, have another look at your setup and lubrication process. That it didnt get stuck with Rem oil is a subtle hint.
I'd also pull it apart and have an optic at the insides to see if there are any rough bits or burrs.
As you're going to the gunshop, pickup some Imperial sizing die wax, best lube (for reloading) I've used, a little bit goes a very long way.
If your still having problems give Lee a call and see what they are prepared to do.
Good luck to your wife for the PET scan, I hope all goes well and they find nothing.
Cheers
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