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Ominivision1 Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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Stumbled onto this article about S&W 329 PD literally split in half, pictures show the owner was using Winchester white box ammo. S&W Kboom
I don't think I'll be buying any aluminum alloy framed magnum revolvers!! Also click the AR15 link on the bottom of the 2nd paragraph to see more pics of the gun.
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English Mike Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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I've shot titanium framed revolvers in .44mag & all it proved is that you NEED weight to control recoil in such calibers.
Frankly, I can't see the point in making side-arms so light that they become unpleasant to shoot.
I've put plenty of +p loads down range from pistols with sufficient weight & never found them oppressive, or that weight was a problem.
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MacD Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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Regrettably we never hear the full story. It could be bad indexing or some other issue that put extra strain on the gun. Many people won't buy polymer framed pistols but they have proven okay. That being said, it would nice to know if this is a design flaw or a human induced mistake.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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As far as I know there is no aluminum alloy that doesn't work-harden. Why would you use it to make a gun frame that is stressed to 35000 psi with every shot?
Maybe they expect the owners of these 44 magnums to only use 44 special rounds...........
I think they are trying to save money and just made the model too weak.
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Ominivision1 Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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Evidently this is a problem because S&W has a recall notice on their website, www.smith-wesson.com/w...7978_image and it also says the PD models with the 2 piece barrels are not affected.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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I'll just stick to all steel !!
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:17 am Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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Here are 2 pictures of the steel insert they use on the top strap, when the insert develops a crack like shown, the hot gases attack the aluminum alloy frame.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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Is the wear on the top of the throat an indication of poor chamber - barrel alignment?
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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That sure does look like barrel is not in alignment with the frame, I stick with a steel frame after seeing enough pictures of broken S&W guns using aluminum frames even with the 45acp which is a low pressure Saami round.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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aluminum makes well maybe fair siding or pop cans
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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I cant help but notice the machining marks!!! dont look like a great deal of finishing going on at all.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: How to Shear Your Scandium .44 Mag Revolver in Half!! |
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Yep! I am going to stay with my Rugers.....
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