HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: surface33
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 1
Overall: 11719

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 55
BOT: 4
Total: 59
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Your Account
04: Forums
05: News
06: Forums
07: Forums
08: Photo Albums
09: Forums
10: Forums
11: Forums
12: Your Account
13: Forums
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Home
19: Forums
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Forums
24: Forums
25: Forums
26: News
27: Home
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Forums
32: Forums
33: Your Account
34: Photo Albums
35: Forums
36: Your Account
37: Forums
38: Your Account
39: Your Account
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Forums
50: Photo Albums
51: Forums
52: Photo Albums
53: Forums
54: Forums
55: Photo Albums
  BOT:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 303
 Pictures: 2283
  · Views: 215709
  · Votes: 1239
  · Comments: 85
 

Support our Advertisers

.17 remington Fireball is it staying around ?
Discussions related to Guns and Firearms
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
clembob
Member
Member


Joined: Jul 10, 2011
Posts: 28
Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:00 pm    Post subject: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

I was after a .17 Remington Fireball as in the UK this one of a few calibres you can use on vermin (Rabbit) and Fox but after looking on the Remington site out of 9 rifles with the, 17 calibre as an option 7 had the .17 has been discontinued even the new 700 VTR is the .17 Remington fireball being killed off?
Back to top
View user's profile
fnuser
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Posts: 903
Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

I am not familiar with the legalities of reloading in the U.K. but once you are outfitted it should be easy to sustain. I would imagine a kilo of powder would last quite awhile with that low volume of fire. I don't pay much attention to the popular girls, just the fun ones. And that sounds like a fun one!

_________________
N.R.A. Endowment Member
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
TRBLSHTR
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Mar 23, 2007
Posts: 906
Location: Lower 48's-left coast(near portlandia)

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

Confused Clembob are all 17 calibers allowed-like the 17 remington(which is a 222 rem case necked down I believe)?.17 rem fireball is a 221 rem fireball necked down if memory serves me.A slightly less powerful cartridge!

_________________
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann
Back to top
View user's profile
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3177
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

IMO I think the .17 FB will be around for a long time to come but will not achieve a level that merits it being chambered in vast numbers.
I wouldn't be surprised if Remington dropped it for a few years and brought it back out again. The demand for this style/type of cartridge usually goes up and down.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Vince
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 10303
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

I agree with the others Clembob. If you reload, then the calibre will only go out of favour when you decide to get rid of it for whatever reason.

Both the .221 Fireball and .222 Remington have been around for many years, and cases are always available, as are bullets for the .17 calibre. This may mean that you will have to do a little case and fire forming, but that is part of the joys of reloading. A "stiff" load of 19gn in the 17 Fireball will give you 810 loads out of a kilogram of powder, and for the 17 Rem, 24.5gr will give you 628 loads from a kg...pretty cheap in my books mate.

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

It's been lonely in the saddle since the horse died.

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
Aloysius
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 1387
Location: B., Belgium

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

clembob, why going to a smaller caliber? In my opinion you are still allowed to use a silencer on your rifles. Using a silencer asks for a lower velocity when you expect it to work as requested. Low velocity asks for a heavier bullet when you want some energy...
so why a .17?
I even would recommend a .22 in a PCP!
Back to top
View user's profile
Eremius
Member
Member


Joined: Dec 04, 2011
Posts: 89
Location: Owosso, MI

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

Aloysius wrote:
I even would recommend a .22 in a PCP!

Sounds like federal trafficking charges...
Back to top
View user's profile
clembob
Member
Member


Joined: Jul 10, 2011
Posts: 28
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

I went for a .17 Fireball as this I already use a .17hmr for rabbits which is great but I'm not allowed under the conditions of my certificate to shot a fox with a .17hmr but I could if I had my .243 but then only the fox .
Yep that means carrying two rifles around with me.
If you look at the rules.tif you can see the calibres you are allowed to shot vermin and fox with that why I went for the .17 rem fireball
Thanks for the comments



rules.gif
 Description:
 Filesize:  70.85 KB
 Viewed:  2245 Time(s)

rules.gif

Back to top
View user's profile
TRBLSHTR
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Mar 23, 2007
Posts: 906
Location: Lower 48's-left coast(near portlandia)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

Very Happy And all this time I believed that the UK only allowed shotties!
Where are the 204 rugers? Very Happy

_________________
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann
Back to top
View user's profile
clembob
Member
Member


Joined: Jul 10, 2011
Posts: 28
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

We are allowed .204 but only for fox did try for both vermin and fox but not allowed .
Back to top
View user's profile
Aloysius
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 1387
Location: B., Belgium

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

I see that your rules are even more stupid than ours.
We only have a maximum for shot dimension (max. 4 mm).
For bullets we only have minima, so we are allowed to shoot a fox, a rabbit or a dove with a .50 BMG Smile
But we are not allowed to use something in .17(7), our minimum is 5.6 mm for fox, rabbit and dove, 5.6 mm and minimum 820 J at 100 m for roedeer and minimum 6.5 mm and 2300 J at 100 m for the bigger ones (deer, fallow deer, wild boar...)

But when I see your list, I'm almost sure I would take the .22 Hornet, or if you want to upset your controling guys: the 5.6x35 R Vierling Smile
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 3803
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

You might be interested in the .17 Hornet then. Savage makes a rifle for it.

www.hornady.com/store/...t-NewAmmo/

www.rifleshootermag.co...17-hornet/

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anyone else, and there ain't no one better than me!" Ma Kettle

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3177
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

clembob, Not sure if you understand or not but a .17 Remington and a .17 Remington Fireball are two different cartridges !!!

The .17 Remington is a .223 necked down to 17 cal. (20gr. bullet approx 4250fps)
The .17 Remington Fireball is a 221 Remington Fireball necked down to .17 cal. (20gr. bullet approx 4000fps)


_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 5075
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

the hornet has been around for a long time and will be for a long time to come. between the two it would be my choice. very very cheap to reload and not hard on barrel wear but very good on animals .alot of big red deer were even shot with the humble hornet back in the skin hunting days over here. there are some great projectiles around for that cartridge too.

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 10303
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: .17 remington Fireball is it staying around ? Reply with quote

A guy I sometimes go hunting with has been using a Hornet to hunt fallow deer for years and swears by the calibre.

Personally, I am of the belief that it is not big enough for a humane kill on deer. Neck it down and put a 20gn boolit in it and it will be devastating on anything up to, and including, a fox...in fact I couldn't think of a better calibre for feral cats, regardless of what the powers that be say (they are probably all closet greenies anyway).

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

It's been lonely in the saddle since the horse died.

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Gun & Firearm Discussions
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.