HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: Issuresix
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 1
Overall: 12584

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 104
BOT: 4
Total: 108
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Home
03: Home
04: Home
05: Home
06: Forums
07: Forums
08: Home
09: Home
10: Home
11: Home
12: Forums
13: Home
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Home
17: Home
18: Home
19: Home
20: Home
21: Forums
22: Home
23: Forums
24: Home
25: Forums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Photo Albums
30: Home
31: Forums
32: Home
33: Forums
34: Home
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Forums
38: Home
39: Home
40: Home
41: Home
42: Forums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Home
47: Home
48: Home
49: Forums
50: Home
51: Home
52: PointBlank Ballistics
53: Home
54: Home
55: Home
56: Home
57: Home
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Home
61: Home
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Forums
65: Forums
66: Forums
67: Forums
68: Home
69: Home
70: News
71: Forums
72: Home
73: Home
74: Home
75: Forums
76: Home
77: Forums
78: Home
79: Forums
80: Forums
81: Forums
82: Home
83: Home
84: Forums
85: Home
86: Home
87: Forums
88: Forums
89: Forums
90: Home
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Home
94: Forums
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Forums
98: Home
99: Forums
100: Home
101: Forums
102: Forums
103: Home
104: Forums
  BOT:
01: PointBlank Ballistics
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 305
 Pictures: 2357
  · Views: 355988
  · Votes: 1306
  · Comments: 85
 

Support our Advertisers

dpms 223 rifle
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
gatornavy
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Apr 26, 2009
Posts: 4
Location: kansas city kansas

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:55 am    Post subject: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

I am currently reloading 223 with once fired military brass. I have a dillon 550 reloader, dillon dies and a dillon sizing gauge. I am loading 60grain vmax bullets , using winchester 748 pwder 25.5 grains, and cci magnum primers. excellent groups but i am having some problems. not all of the ammo will feed into my new rifle. I have a friend that uses a rock river 223 and it is feeding everything that we reload. does anyone know if dpms rifles have very tight tollerances. That is my question. I wanted a battle rifle not a pickie eater.
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 13494
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Welcome aboard The Nut Gatornavy. Grab a beer mate, pull up a stump and sit awhile.

You must be ex service from the way you have "ordered" your info mate.

Unfortunately I am not familiar with the DPMS as we are not allowed semi autos out here in Australia, but there are plenty here who are, so take the weight off mate and someone will be along shortly.

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5906

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Try getting a hold of a small base sizing die. Sometimes a full Length sizing die still doesn't size down the case enough to feed reliably in a semi-automatic. The small base dies were designed to increase the ability for proper feeding into the chamber. RCBS makes the small base dies I believe.

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
ckt2420
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Apr 25, 2009
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Check neck wall thickness. Many mil. cases have overly thick case neck walls. These require neck turning. Also be critical of minimum case length. .223's grow fast.
Back to top
View user's profile
gatornavy
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Apr 26, 2009
Posts: 4
Location: kansas city kansas

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

yes to supermember Vince (bloat) I am prior service. ten years, also 12 years as a lawdog. saddens me that the wild Ausies lost so much gun rights. I think I still have the artilce in my gun room when all of that happened. Was that in 1995. Nevertheless our necks are next on the chopping block i'm afraid. thanks for the welcome aboard package. thanks for the infor Mr. Dimitri supermember, I am checking into the small base. I'm not so much worried about to the minute accuracy as I am reliability. so far I've slapped on a red dot and i'm hitting the steel plate at 200 yards with double taps. The plate is about 18 inches in circumfrance. I maybe taking the rifle to a gunsmith before this is all over and have the tollerance adjusted. I want a rifle to eat anything I have to put in it. like an ak or sks. thanks also rookie. i'm a newbee too. Just don't look up the view isn't to pretty. Hey gotta start somewhere right. Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 4463
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Gator, I have a DPMS "Lo Pro" and had some problems with it chambering my handloads. I found that I had set the seating/crimping die set where it was just starting to crimp the un-cannelured bullets, causing an almost imperceptible bulge at the shoulder. However, those rounds would chamber in my Mini-14. It may be that the DPMS has a tighter chamber but I don’t know for sure. Have you asked this question in the forums on AR15.com? Those guys might be more helpful on AR stuff.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anyone else, and there ain't no one better than me!" Ma Kettle

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
fnuser
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Posts: 914
Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

I'd be careful of adjusting my rifle before I tried using factory stuff, doesn't do any good to blame a gun if there is a diminsion thats off. Mic your reloads before they are fired and see how close to sammi you are especially the ones that aren't feeding, a quick fix may to go ahead and trim all of them to a minimum diminsion especially if accuracy of the benchrest kind isn't your goal. If you're using mil stuff you're already de burring primer holes right? I like you're approach to whats expected of an a.r. you're doing it right with that plate at 200. if you're trimming your necks already do you de burr the inside and outside? Either one could cause a bulge in neck dia. after you push a boattail in there. Not to much could be done with a rifle that has a tight chamber any way. Also an a.r. isn't broken in til you get at least 1000 through it before that the carrier is still polishing the bolt. Just c.l.p. the crap out of it and shoot it.

_________________
N.R.A. Endowment Member
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5906

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

gatornavy wrote:
thanks for the infor Mr. Dimitri supermember, I am checking into the small base. I'm not so much worried about to the minute accuracy as I am reliability.

Then the small base dies will work well, they resize all the way down below where the bolt extractor grove is on the brass unlike most full length sizing that do not go down as far. Which allows them to fit into tight chambers easier in semi-automatics. Smile

Still Gator, you do not need to refer to me as a super member, or anything fancy like that. One day, after many posts you'll become a super member too. Smile

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

I agree with fnuser, if it’s new it might just need a break-in period !!!

I’m also willing to bet your buddies Rock River has a tighter chamber.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
d_hoffman
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 13, 2007
Posts: 696
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Is your friends Rock River a .223 or a 5.56mm nato? Iknow, they're supposed to be the same but they're not. The .223 can only shoot .223 spec ammo where as the 5.56mm can shoot either one, .223 or 5.56mm nato.

_________________
The best form of gun control...aim straight!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5906

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Rock River uses a hybrid chambering. Which allows just enough jump to the leade/throat to relieve the pressure of military ammunition in a tight civilian chamber. The specific style they use is the "Wylde" which I believe is the most common one out there.

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
whittling
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Apr 21, 2008
Posts: 586
Location: Texas (home state is Mass)

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

what kind of AR is it ?

_________________
Molon labe!
Service, honor and courage, without these a warrior is nothing.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
gatornavy
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Apr 26, 2009
Posts: 4
Location: kansas city kansas

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

okay i'm not a normal 223 guy i am a 30calman (m14a1 springfield armory "THE DON") type of shooter, When the Godfather is called all business will be handled at the expense of others 400 meters away hoorah. , where do i find out if it is a 223 or 5.56nato' is it stamped on the barrel, I have a one in 9 twist dpms rifle with a1 sights, light barrel, colapsable stock, and bushnell 4 dot option red dot, with carry handle mount. I will check into the small sizing dies thanks. hey vince surplusrifle.com great infor for bolt guns. I am going to ar15.com after my honeydo list is done. Thanks pumpkinslinger, Dimitri, and the rest of the boyz. Chow. Cool

_________________
3rd Gen. (wop) Always remember Ellis Island, "it is not the tomato sauce that makes the noodles sooth you, it is the variety of spices that have been added over time to the sauce." " Always prepare as the next flag you battle maybe your own. " The ZestyItalian.
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 4463
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

Gator, my DPMS is stamped on the left side of the lower receiver, "CAL .223 - 5.56MM". If you know which model yours is you can check DPMS' website to see if it's under the ".223" list or the "5.56mm" list. Mine is on the "5.56mm" list.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anyone else, and there ain't no one better than me!" Ma Kettle

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
gatornavy
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Apr 26, 2009
Posts: 4
Location: kansas city kansas

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: dpms 223 rifle Reply with quote

hello sportsfans, just a quick update for those of you who care. I took all of the bad ammo that i have reloaded and pulled all of the bullets, salvaged most of the powder, and recovered the primers. Went to cabella's and bought some new fresh virgin brass, this is expensive stuff, but guess what, It reloads flawlessly, did the old chamber check with the case gauge and the ar chamber itself and all feeds well. lesson learned don't pick up the bad brass at the range. most of the problem upon further observation was at the bottom of the cases, looked like they were bulged a little. I threw about sixty casing away out of 100. best brass I have found is from topbrass.com just have to wait a long time for it to come in, they are way behind. They have great combo packages for 308 and 223. Oh by the way I found on the receiver of my rifle where it says 223/5.56 nato . to fnuser, yes I was deburing inside and out, and cleaning the primer hole, and resizing the primer hole. thanks for all of the info, men. tomorrow will be proof day at the range, rain or shine lead goes down range.

_________________
3rd Gen. (wop) Always remember Ellis Island, "it is not the tomato sauce that makes the noodles sooth you, it is the variety of spices that have been added over time to the sauce." " Always prepare as the next flag you battle maybe your own. " The ZestyItalian.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.