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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:16 am    Post subject: Civil War? Reply with quote

Dr. Jack Devere Minzey, born 6 October 1928, died 8 April 2018, was the Dept. Head of Education at Eastern Michigan University as well as a prolific author of numerous books. This was the last of his works:
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Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war.
There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.
The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. He can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him. He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda, and watch while one of America's Ambassador's is dragged through the streets and murdered doing nothing to aid our citizens. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator. But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played. That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.
When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries. The Constitution has something to say about that. Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.
Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.
That's not a free country.
It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we're in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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Well now Pilgrims and Patriots, having read the above, I suggest two things: forward this very timely, very important analysis to those whom you believe think like you do and make sure you vote on every Election day!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:12 am    Post subject: Re: Civil War? Reply with quote

yes it is very interesting how much of Trumps past gets dragged out and aired and yet the past of ol whammy obammy is still treated like a state secret and has been buried and hushed so much its not funny.......

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Civil War? Reply with quote

Sounds like here in Blighty.
The refusal to accept the result of an election/referendum has shown its ugly head here too, with (unsurprisingly) those on the political left being the refusers.
Then they blame those from the centre-right for the divisions they cause & demand WE change.
Well there's a fruit bat in need of some lovin' they can go procreate with.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Civil War? Reply with quote

I’m just sitting back here watching the dark clouds in the horizon.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Civil War? Reply with quote

It is looking like court battles here! After that it could be smoke on the horizon.
I got an "open letter" in the mail that addresses the law makers reminding them what built up to the war of independence is happening right now and they need to change their ways or be prepared for the possible consequences. Virginia is the first real test of our rights and it looks like people are getting prepared.
The letter wasn't threatening but it told the story of Lexington and stated that if you don't learn from history you are bound to repeat it. It is my personal view that we have already given too much and when they try to take more we should say NO.

I know that I won't comply with unconstitutional laws. Even New York didn't register their ARs and Colorado continues to sell the banned magazines.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Civil War? Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
I’m just sitting back here watching the dark clouds in the horizon.

That's torrential rain mixed with smoke from the fires mate. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Civil War? Reply with quote

English Mike wrote:
Vince wrote:
I’m just sitting back here watching the dark clouds in the horizon.

That's torrential rain mixed with smoke from the fires mate. Wink

Could be mate, or at least it is hopefully.

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