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I finally finished my new toy!
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote



An old rusted out ammo can , large enough to hold all the supplies.

Speed control and proximity ,case, counter





5.7x28MM



Two small DC-motors


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Pete,
Now THAT is one complicated wiring job! Mine has a power cord that runs to a switch box and two wires to the motor but then I was going for simple. Yours may be more complex but they do the same job.
I could add some feet on the front of my frame but so far it works and like you I don't shoot much of the rimmed ammo. I made the box with a 15 degree back tilt and although the rails will stack over two hundred cases I don't trust it past about 75.
I haven't even separated my 30-30 cases yet. They are in with a pile of pistol and rifle brass in several buckets I just haven't gotten to yet.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:29 am    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

I'm impressed, pete!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Paul" Yours may be more complex but they do the same job."

That's one thing I like about yours IT's simple.

There's a few things I need to tinker with on mine . Like you I don't over load the hopper .

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

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Pete,
Now THAT is one complicated wiring job! Mine has a power cord that runs to a switch box and two wires to the motor but then I was going for simple. Yours may be more complex but they do the same job.
I could add some feet on the front of my frame but so far it works and like you I don't shoot much of the rimmed ammo. I made the box with a 15 degree back tilt and although the rails will stack over two hundred cases I don't trust it past about 75.
I haven't even separated my 30-30 cases yet. They are in with a pile of pistol and rifle brass in several buckets I just haven't gotten to yet.

Paul on the wiring job ; A few links on the parts and the HOW-to

youtu.be/miDQlEIBH9Q

youtu.be/qsQ-qzrt_WE

www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xE-6bSwME

www.ebay.com/itm/DC-6-...:rk:8:pf:0

www.ebay.com/p/2pcs-Hi...3274058088

www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Ad...rk:13:pf:0

www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12...:rk:1:pf:0

I've ran 5.7x28mm(1000-more or less), 308-win(>100<) ,303-British(50-more than once) , 223-Rem (way more that a few 1000 ), 30-378 Wby (20 or more), though mine , but haven't tried any pistol cart. yet.

Does take a few min. to set up but all the cases turn out the same , just have a few cases to ruin on the set up Scratch



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Well, the important part is that it works for you.
I tried a couple of 30-30 cases today... I will have to cut clearance in the guides at the bottom to clear the rims. There is a radius on the cold formed angle iron I used so it traps the rim. If I had used real angle iron it would not be an issue.
The other point is how many I can stack in the rack is still open. I ran across two 30-30 cases in with some 223 I was sorting so I just tried it with two. It needs about 1/8 inch ground off the bottom inside so the rims will clear.

On the other side I have 200 223 prepped and primed and ready for powder and bullets. I'm still working on an accuracy load for my 18" AR.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Beautifully done both of you!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Yep, I agree with Gelandangan...great job in both cases.

These two builds are very similar to my annealer which is shown in a previous post here.

www.huntingnut.com/ind...e+annealer

My cabinet is a bit rough and ready, but it works. The speed of the two rotating parts is easy to control and allows for minor adjustments if needed for different cases.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Vince , I like your's too , think I probably saw one like your is what gave me the idea on the motors . Cheers

Paul , You may want to try a thin strip of wood to elevate the out side edge . just tape it place . temp fix . Cheers

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

While we're on the annealing , I'll post a few pictures why I built mine

The Rifle AR-57 , 50-round mag. , lower mag. catches the hulls no spring or follower ,



The top mag. after a neck separation


These are the shells # 1 2 & 3 are the reloads ......#4 is normal case neck stretch (blow-back bolt doesn't lock), # 5 possible over charge or could after the neck separation ? # 6 the separated case # 8 the next round though the chamber (ouch) never have your hand on the mag. well . # 7 If you look close to the bullet and the end of the neck you'll see neck of # 6 . It also blew the bottom plate of the lower mag. off and swelled the sides . I was lucky I only received a bloody hand from the pressure when she blew.



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#4 possible over charge
#5- with the extra neck ,was used to extract the neck of the broken case
#6 the exploded case


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

The "kool factor" makes me want one but the 57 is too weird for me.
I have a hard enough time fitting 55 grain bullets and a 223 brass into the seating die. My hands keep getting the the way.

So, how much does a replacement magazine run?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

Vince,
Yours is like the one I saw and decided to see if I could get it to work without all the complexity. Luckily it worked so I don't have to build the more expensive one.

I tend to be... frugal (you know, cheap) Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

pete, how many reloads do you have on your brass when the case neck separated?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

slimjim wrote:
pete, how many reloads do you have on your brass when the case neck separated?

. I think it was on the 3rd , I'm using mainly 6.2 gr. TRUE BLUE powder now with a 40gr. HORNADY Z-MAX , with a very lite crimp just enough to hold in place . I get a very lite stretch in the neck with this load .
. As the FN 5.7 original rounds have a special lube on the case , I use 3-in-one DRY LUBE oil on my hands as I load the magazines. When I first started the 5.7x28 wasn't much info out there , Got a lot of good starting points at this site .

www.fivesevenforum.com/index.php

I'm running the 5.x28mm though the annealer every second reload now , Using a sonic cleaner W/dawn detergent as a cleaner , before the resizing and de-priming. Some of the cases are their 5th or 6th reload using this .
. About time for many to go in the cull tub .

This accident happened over a year ago , made me start checking all my cases a little closer . If in has any discoloration of any kind its marked and in the tub .

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: I finally finished my new toy! Reply with quote

PaulS wrote:
The "kool factor" makes me want one but the 57 is too weird for me.
I have a hard enough time fitting 55 grain bullets and a 223 brass into the seating die. My hands keep getting the the way.

So, how much does a replacement magazine run?

Paul , It is a fun little gun I use to squirrel , rabbit hunt and general varmint gun. As for the magazine I think I payed in the $30.00 range for the Fn brand was told to stay clear of some of the generic brands .

"I have a hard enough time fitting 55 grain bullets" Paul

You ought to try some these little buggers .
www.midwayusa.com/prod...box-of-100

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