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Annealing machine
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Annealing machine Reply with quote

I couldn't remember if I'd seen this on here before so ...

annealeez.ddns.net/

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

ok, is it really worth $275+? On my 6.8mm, the primer pockets are gone after 5-6 reloads. The .270 brass gets tossed when the neck thickness has too much variation and concentricity increases to a point accuracy is degraded. Just don't see the cost benefit. At that cost, I could just by new brass. Oops, you don't have one do you Pkslinger?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

Never owned one and I agree that it would not be cost effective for me. I get once-fired brass free and toss it after three reloads. Just a personal preference things. Brass is cheap. All the best...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

An annealer doesn't need to be expensive...mine didn't cost very much to build at all.

www.huntingnut.com/ind...e+annealer

You are pretty lucky Gil, getting brass that easily mate. Brass out here is not exactly cheap, and if I can get another couple of loadings by annealling, it is worthwhile mate.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

I thought it was interesting and could be useful if you've got some oddball brass that is hard to find. However I just read an article about annealing with a candle (Handloader magazine) and would probably try that first.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

plenty of info out there on how to do it with a gas torch and pan of water...never done it at all myself.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

Pumpkinslinger wrote:
I thought it was interesting and could be useful if you've got some oddball brass that is hard to find. However I just read an article about annealing with a candle (Handloader magazine) and would probably try that first.

A candle? I wouldn't think there would be enough heat in a candle flame to do the job.

I have a mate who anneals his cases when casting alloy projectiles for target and Cowboy shooting. He dips the neck and shoulder of the case in the molten lead until he can feel the web warming up then drops them into a container to cool. He claims that does the job.

Elvis...when annealling cases using a gas torch, you have to be very careful not to overheat the necks or anneal too far down the case. overheating the neck and heating up the whole case will ruin the case mate. When I used a gas torch, I would roll the neck in the very end of the flame only until I felt heat in the bottom of the case where I was holding it...any more was too much mate.

There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing how to anneal...well worth searching them out.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

When I anneal, which isn't too often, I use the temperature sensitive "paint" as an indicator when the brass neck has reached its optimum temperature. I don't do it enough to do it by feel.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

Oh, some say to wait until the brass begins to glow but that is subjective and the amount of ambient light in the area where you are annealing makes a big difference in when you see the glow.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

Vince,

Believe it or not a candle is plenty hot enough to anneal brass. Wikipedia claims a candle flame produces between 2000* F - 2500* F (1100-1400* C). Brass begins to anneal at about 495* F. It will anneal slowly at lower temperatures. For instance, at 600* F it will take about 1 hour to properly anneal brass. It will anneal quickly with a hot enough flame and a candle will anneal a typical rifle case in about 6-10 seconds.

The "candle method" is very similar to yours. Hold it about 1/2 way down the case and when it starts to get too hot to hold drop it on a wet towel. You can also use the 750*F Tempilaq paint inside the case neck to know how long to hold it in the flame before dropping it.

I've annealed brass using this method in the past. It's slow and you can burn your fingers if your not paying close enough attention. Wink

But it doesn't get any cheaper, nearly everyone will have the necessary "tools", and it works.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

Azar wrote:

The "candle method" is very similar to yours. Hold it about 1/2 way down the case and when it starts to get too hot to hold drop it on a wet towel. You can also use the 750*F Tempilaq paint inside the case neck to know how long to hold it in the flame before dropping it.

Azar, that is exactly what I read. When I dig my way back down to the top of my loading bench I'll give it a try.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Annealing machine Reply with quote

Pumpkinslinger,

I recommend counting out loud on the first 2 or 3 cases when annealing in the candle flame. Make note of your count once the brass gets to the "too hot to hold" stage. From there on out you know how long to hold it before your burn your fingers. Wink

After that, if you want, you can put on gloves and just keep a mental count.

So easy a cave man can do it.
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