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#16: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: Aloysius, Location: B., Belgium

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:58 am
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Dallan, I agree and not only for elk. Here in my neighbourhood we have problems with wild boars at the moment, so they are chasing them to kill. They are not hunting, but shooting at any size. They are also killing leading sows. At first sight this seems right, because when you kill the sow, it 's possible that her young onces stay at the place and you can kill a few more. BUT: that leading sow did keep them all together and prevented that the boars would also "take" the young sows. Killing the leading sow often means a split up + the very young sows will also get pregnant. Instead of decreasing the numbers, you're increasing them + you chase them around to places they have never been before...
And don't forget: when doing so, you're educating (young?) hunters to shoot and kill instead of hunting and managing the game.
Even in G-B they make the difference between shooting (pheasants) and hunting...

#17: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: English Mike, Location: Whitehaven, Cumbria, UK

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 pm
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Aloysius wrote:

Even in G-B they make the difference between shooting (pheasants) and hunting...

Yep - I don't do pheasant "shoots".
I do however hunt them in a forested estate over the border in Scotland - no beaters, just me & mate scanning & searching (it's actually where I'm going for a day's deer stalking Monday after next).

#18: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: slimjim, Location: Fort Worth TX

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:50 pm
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DallanC wrote:

Second, never shoot the lead cow... never.

Ok, Dallan. You out hunting? Rational? I want to learn.

#19: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: Elvis, Location: south island New Zealand

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:57 pm
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slimjim.....find a copy of Wilbur Smiths book elephant song....what he said happened to the herds is pretty much word for word what Aloys just wrote.

#20: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: slimjim, Location: Fort Worth TX

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:43 am
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This time of year, when elk herds meet, they stay together making them more concentrated. If this does split them up, then that would be good as fewer herds make it harder to find an elk to shoot.

The lead cow is the one that has learned most how to avoid hunters. Shoot one in her herd and she learns some more. Shoot the lead cow and one less smart takes over.

www.fieldandstream.com/cow-elk

#21: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: DallanC, Location: Utah

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:05 pm
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Lead cows not only keep the herd patterned and predictable, they are usually the oldest, and worst eating of all the elk in the string. Never seen a lead cow that had much for teeth and were tough and nasty to eat.

-DallanC

#22: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt Author: slimjim, Location: Fort Worth TX

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:35 am
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Thanks, Dallan. This is the first lead cow I have shot. I'll let you know how this one tastes.

Another lesson learned in this situation - what for the others to follow the lead cow.

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