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TRBLSHTR Super Member
Joined: Mar 23, 2007 Posts: 1071 Location: Lower 48's-left coast(near portlandia)
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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SingleShotLover wrote: |
What ever you decide, go into it with a plan. Remember that even the most potent .44 Magnum load is inferior to a good .30-30 load in energy figures (even though I don't believe that energy figures tell the whole story). A good stout .44 Mag or .45 Colt load can be good insurance if loaded with heavy cast bullets, but I would opt for a Marlin 1895 .45-70 with 405-grain bullets at top velocity for any close and personal debates with a wounded bear. As Bushy points out, a lever gun is fast to operate as well as reliable. As to the .454, it's not a bad round but you mentioned shooting .45 Colt rounds in it. Every manufacturer that I know of specifically states that shooting .45 Colt loads in the .454 voids the warranty. |
I have an Idea......................get a magnum research bfr in 45-70..........................a wheel gun in 45-70.......who needs a rifle?..............
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tlo7mm Super Member
Joined: Nov 15, 2010 Posts: 426 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Not that its a big deal but Ruger specifically promotes duel chambering for a 454. As far as other manufacturers I am not sure exactly.
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dhc4ever Super Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Suzanne wrote: |
You can carry a .22 and shoot your hunting partner in the leg for bear bait, that way you can run faster....just a thought.
Suz |
You are an evil women, practical, pragmatic, funny, but downright evil.
Remind me NOT to go bear shooting with you.
However a beer around the campfire would be nice.
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SingleShotLover Super Member
Joined: Dec 26, 2007 Posts: 1005 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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tlo7mm wrote: |
Not that its a big deal but Ruger specifically promotes duel chambering for a 454. As far as other manufacturers I am not sure exactly. |
I stand corrected! Originally Ruger, Freedom Arms and Taurus all were firmly opposed to this practice stating that the likelihood of chamber erosion from the shorter cased .45 Colt could cause serious problems when firing the .454 loads. Maybe a closer look made them change their minds.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Not sure about that SingleShotLover. I had a friend in the USSR of C that shot competition revolver. His favorite was a S&W Mod 19 4". His ammunition of choice for competition was .38 Special. Shot thousands of rounds. One day he cleaned it and went to a range and shot one cylinder of .357 factory magnums and spent the next hour pounding the cases out. It seems that the .357 magnum cases expanded into the crimp ring groove made by the .38 Specials. Rare maybe, but......
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Ominivision1 Super Member
Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Had the same thing happen to me when shooting 38/spl out of my 357 revolver, it leaves a carbon ring around the cylinder then if you don't clean out that ring when you fire 357, you have to pound them out.
No longer do I shoot 38 in 357 because of this problem, same goes for shooting 44 specials in my 44mag SRH. I just reduce the loads as needed.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Omini...This wasn't a carbon ring. This was a shinny ring worn into the cylinder wall by the .38 special crimp opening when fired.
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Suzanne Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Well it happens to me too, when I fire 357 mag. out of my 17HMR. I think it's the bottle neck area where I have to really force the 357 cases into the chamber. I haven't found any way to get the projectiles out either. I have to admit the hammer I used wasn't a ball-peen but brass is soft anyway. Tryin to get one to rim-fire can be a chore sometimes. Well ok....I"ve only tried it once....the patch over my eye makes it hard to use the hammer and now I'm left handed so that makes for some difficult co-ordination. Before I lost my hand and my eye and got the plastic nose and ear and chin implant it was pretty fun to experiment.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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And we need to refer to the other thread dealing with "hand baskets"...
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Ominivision1 Super Member
Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Bushmaster wrote: |
Omini...This wasn't a carbon ring. This was a shinny ring worn into the cylinder wall by the .38 special crimp opening when fired. |
Dang, I only shot maybe less than a hundred before cleaning it, your buddy must have shot quite a few in his to wear a ring into the cylinder wall as mine were just carbon crud.
Suz: are we trying to be humorous?
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Like I said...He shot comp revolver. A lot of .38 Specials doin'that.
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Protection from a wounded bear. |
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Its not Suzs fault its all because her daddy was a teaspoon.
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