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DallanC Site Admin
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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How many people see rounds going down range when acting as a spotter?
I've clearly seen the trails on videos... and i know sniper teams zero in on a target from visible trails but how many of you guys see them while working ranges or whatnot? I honestly can say I've never seen a round go down range before.
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roklok Super Member
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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If the lighting is right it is certainly possible to see projectiles from relatively slow cartridges even at close ranges. I have seen bullets from 9mm and 45 ACP pistols quite often when plinking and target practice.It is usually easier to see when someone else is shooting but I have seen them from my own gun.It kind of freaked me out the first time I observed this but now it is pretty common.I have also seen large shot going through the air once while goose hunting,the lighting must have been perfect because I have never observed this again.
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Handloader Super Member
Joined: Aug 22, 2005 Posts: 1032 Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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Many ranges orient to the north with the sun, then, toward the shooter's back. When shooting 600 and 1,000yd benchrest it is common to see the reflected flight of the bullet and/or the air disturbance caused by the bullet's wake. As a spotter with higher powered optics, it is even easier to observe. Lower velocity bullets from handguns, too, can be seen, although IM experience it is the bullet itself that is being observed.
What is often observed is not a simple arcing curve that we associate with trajectory, but wiggly contrails which are the result of mirage. This causes the bullet to seemingly rise, fall and swiggle toward the target.
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Vince Site Admin
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shrpshtrjoe Super Red Neck Member
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popgun Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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Your right about snipers using the vapor trails to determine corrections. The method is to position the spotting scope directly over the shooter in line with the bore or as close as possible to either side. Then adjust the focus short of the target until you begin seeing the trails. If you are seeing the trails in your rifle scope it's a fair to say your scope is not properly focused unless you want to see the trails in the scope on the rifle. The vapor trails are more visible at longer ranges 400+.
I know you like to muzzleload and if you stand to the upwind side of someone when they fire a 50 and up muzzleloader so that the smoke does not obstruct your view you will see the bullet traveling downrange without the aid of optics. Looks like a bumble bee. We played with a ML at sniper school firing at 400 yds and the bullets were clearly visible.
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mikekuzara Member
Joined: Sep 13, 2005 Posts: 147 Location: Farson, Wyoming
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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In the Army it was very easy to observe rounds going down range. This was very easy because we were shooting M-198, 155 mm Howitzers. From the ground, it looks like a bowling ball going away from you.
In my target shooting days, I was able to see my .22 standard velocity rounds going downrange. Of course this was in an indoor range with good lighting.
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deermanager Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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often see what looks like a shock wave whizzing away from me
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glockman55 Super Member
Joined: Dec 12, 2005 Posts: 831 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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When shooting our Pistols with the sun at our back we usually pick up sight of the round about two thirds of the way to the target, when it slows down a little.
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Flint54 Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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Vince Site Admin
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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Howdy. I have never noticed a round going down range, never realy looked for it though. I have seen a lot of tracer rounds though
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This one is for you Joe. I don't think it is off topic, but if it is I apologise to the Mods in advance.
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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shrpshtrjoe Super Red Neck Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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Howdy Vince There sure isn't a problem seeing those rounds. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving of that gun ship. I use to shoot the M60 out of the Chinook, tracer rounds are a great tool.
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kbis Super Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Seeing rounds going down range? |
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I have only seen 105 Howitizers going over my tent over seas and praying they didn't have a short round. Also the ocassional run by Puff when some not to nice people came by :).
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