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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

I have been thinking about trying my hand at chasing coyotes. Can you guys give me any advise?

The terrain really varies around here from open fields, rolling hills hardwood forest, thick heavy swamps to cattail and grass marshes. I have a lot of places that I can hunt small open fields along wooded areas and swamp.

What kind of calls are easy to learn and use? How about a decoy?

The snow has a tendency to get deep around here but manageable with snow shoes. I do know some of the locals chase them with dogs but that's just not my style of hunting. I prefer to TRY to outwit animals rather then run them.

I hunt alone or with my son when he can get away. Are there any books or tapes that are good for teaching how to call?

My wife says that I don't need another hobby.... but I really don't think of it as a new hobby just another critter. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

Kinda been considering the same !!! (was going to start a thread after Christmas)

Is it necessary to start with an electronic caller ??? I've thought about the mouth calls until I see how it goes.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

There have been some previous threads on this subject that contain good information. Take a look here >> www.huntingnut.com/ind...pic&t=4933

I think I've got a place to hunt coyotes lined up. I was also waiting until after Christmas to get more active on it. I haven't scouted it yet but hope to use the AR in .223 for the shooting. Anybody using a .22 Hornet for coyotes? I thought I'd use one if it appeared that noise might be a problem.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

Good thread Pumkin, lots of good stuff. I know the yote's are here it's just to figure out where. What calls would be good tho start with?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

On my way home yesterday one almost t-boned my truck on the way back to the tarmack!

Wishin' I had "Ugly Betty" w/ me about then.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

Hey Guys:

My advice is to STAY AWAY FROM COYOTE HUNTING! Once you start, before you know it, you're traveling all over the country dropping major $$$$ on guns, equipment and travel. DON'T DO IT!

So, since none of you guys ever listen to me, I would guess you want to know how to get started? DawgDad could write a thesis on this I would imagine but I'll give you a dollar's worth anyway. Surprised

Any dying rabbit mouth call will work. I prefer those by the Burhnam Brothers, and in particularly, the Mini Blaster. This call, and your favorite shotgun is a good, cheap way to get into this.

SHOTGUN?! wtf you ask. Yep, because until you see coyotes coming to the call a few times, it will be difficult to hit one with a rifle. I'm telling ya, these guys will fly in sometimes with shots at 5 or 6 yards. Once you learn to "read" the reaction of a coyote, then turn to your rifle, or better yet, carry both out to the stand with you. Most people will tell you to use a full choke with #4 buckshot but I have found that with the close in shots, I prefer a modified choke and Heavy Shot Dead Coyote. Anyone who has been following my season coyote hunting knows that I am still learning how to hit them with a rifle too. For us eastern woods hunters, the shots will be really close.

The .22 Hornet is a great rifle for coyote as is the .17 centerfire rounds. I have used in the past, and DawgDad still uses the .243 Win. I found that most rounds caused much more damage than I preferred but was working on that when I decided to purchase a .17 Fireball so haven’t yet found the perfect damage-reducing .243 load. DawgDad gave me some pointers for the .243 and I’ll follow up on that as soon as I get the time. Other guys swear by the .223 and you have far more selection in bullets and loads for the .223. The 22-250 has a little too much powder behind it for me and causes some rather destructive exit wounds. If you decide on the Hornet or .17 centerfires, remember NOT to shoot for the shoulder of a coyote. These bullets will hit that bone and explode; never reaching a vital area. It’s hard to learn not to shoot for the shoulder. I know. Finally, if you use the new plastic tip "varmint" bullets and handload, load them DOWN, not UP. Slower moving bullets might keep them from cratering on entry and save you a few pelts.

Here are the simplest of rules, all of which I have broken, and paid the price.

1) Full camouflage including face and hands. Please, don’t wear desert camo in Wisconsin. Doesn’t work. Very Happy Don’t wear white socks because when you sit down, your pants legs will rise up, and you will continue to wonder why the coyotes come into view, then twirl like a top and run like hell.

2) Come in to your calling area from downwind, set up, and call IN TO the wind. Anything behind you has already smelled you so keep the wind blowing in that direction. If the wind is blowing toward where you believe the coyote to be, then call it another day, because no matter what you do, he will smell you. Once a coyote associates your call sound with you, he will never come in to it again. So, don’t educate him.

3) Don’t try to shoot him 500 yards away. If you do your part, he will come right into your lap so why educate him? Most of my shots have been under 100 yards, and I would think a full 50% are within 40 yards.

4) Learn to recognize the body language of a coyote. Some signs are, if he stays out a ways and barks at you, he is afraid there is a bigger, badder coyote there and he will more than likely, after some badgering, come around you and try to get down wind, IF you have the time to wait. This could take an hour. I usually just leave 'em when they do that. If he is trotting in at a leisurely pace and stops to look, lip squeak him or call again, he will eventually keep coming. If he keeps his eys on you while running parallel toward downwind, he knows something is wrong so wants to check it out before coming in. You haven’t lost him yet, but you will probably have to stop him before he gets your scent. When this happens, get your crosshairs on him, get ready to shoot, and bark at him like a dog. 80% of the time he will slam on brakes, broadside, for about 2 or 3 seconds, giving you a decent shot. DON’T rush the shot; you have a couple of seconds to squeeze it off. If a pack starts to howl and bark at ya, or you see one running away from ya, the gig is up and it’s time to leave.

5) Forget cover scents (see rule 2) or scent killers. A coyote “sees” with his nose. Instead of smelling a tree, the grass, the grasshopper you stepped on, and a human, he will smell, a tree, the grass, the grasshopper you stepped on, and a human wearing cover scent. It just doesn’t work. I just read a coyote hunting article in a national magazine, written by a well known outdoor writer, which said to use scent killers of a certain brand. Unbelievable how the magazines have become one big advertisement for products. It will not hurt anything, but is a total waste of money. A coyote will pick your scent molecules out of the air downwind from a 5000 head feedlot.

6) Use shooting sticks or a bipod. This is quick shooting but also you are shooting at a very small target. Accuracy is king in predator hunting.

7) When you decide to invest a little more, get a good remote controlled electronic call. You will find that once you blow one sound on a predator call, the coyote knows EXACTLY where you are. So, when he comes in to view he will be looking directly at you. In this case, any movement will end the hunt. With an e-call, he is looking in the direction of the caller which gives you a small amount of protection. Using an electronic decoy helps keep his attention off of you too. MOJO’s Critter is the decoy I use and it is very effective. If you have any breeze at all, a turkey feather hanging about three feet from the ground, from a piece of string tied to a limb, will work just as well. Simple and cheap.

Finally, and I guess some of you guys may not agree with me but I’ll state my feelings anyway. If you are not going to use the coyote in some way (and principally the only useful thing is to keep the hide for either sale or trophy), then please, don’t shoot em. Show respect for your quarry. Please don’t shoot them with something that blows a hole the size of the Titanic on exit. The goal should be to keep the hide in good repair. Since coyote hides are way down on the market right now, I plan to send mine to USA Foxx and Furs to have them tanned. I’ll have a coat made for my wife, and the rest will be left as tanned to hang in the library and give to friends (those who would appreciate this type of thing).

Okay. Now go to www.coyotegods.com and REALLY learn how to be a coyote hunter. I hope you guys take it up, and enjoy it as much as I do. Once you figure it all out give me a shout and we’ll go and scare hell out of some coyotes.
Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

One thing tho about the CoyoteGods site. This was their first attempt so their electronic callers page is WAY outdated. The king of the roost now is the Foxpro e-callers. I would think the Foxpro FX3 is the best selling of all.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

tcknight wrote:
Hey Guys:
. Once you figure it all out give me a shout and we’ll go and scare hell out of some coyotes.
Very Happy

The lunker that almost shined the chrome on my bumper yesterday sure scared the hell outta me... and now that I think of it, the pelt mighta gota tad bit 'o undue wear...couldda used the tail for an old-school antenna topper prolly, if that's still in vouge. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

tcknight wrote:

Please don’t shoot them with something that blows a hole the size of the titanic on exit.


Leave the BFR w/ the taped on flashlights at home, Wiersy! Laughing

(oops- edit, it's BFR, not BRF.... Laughing )


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

stovepipe wrote:
tcknight wrote:

Please don’t shoot them with something that blows a hole the size of the titanic on exit.


Leave the BRF w/ the taped on flashlights at home, Wiersy! Laughing

Haha

I had forgotten about the 'coon tail antena flags! Haha
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

Yeh, we hadde'm all over our bikes and everything as kids. One kid in Hesperia hadda 'yote tail on his sissybar 'cept I'm not so sure it was seasoned it right as it shed something fierce when pedaling around terrorizing the neighborhood...left a trail of fur in the breeze. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

Tails on the CB antenna's would look pretty cool.

Been having neck trouble lately and something gave way Saturday so I may be forced to behave for a while. Hopefully things get better before it's time to pull the snow shoes out.

Great post tc I'm gonna get a couple of calls and drive my wife nuts while learning on the couch.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

Ya wouldn't have so many problems with yer neck if ya got one of them special little neck pillows for snoozing in the stand (aka: while the deer's is eat'n yer lunch). Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

TC has hit it on the head. Very good primer on song dog hunting. Do not try to get too fancy too fast until you have an idea of how they will react. Once you see one come charging in on your distress call you will be hooked for life. Then you will get into howling, night hunting and more fancy gear than you can imagine! E-callers are nice but not necessary if you can blow a distress call that makes your kids cover their ears, you are doing it right. I have two e- callers and a half a dozen mouth calls and will mix up using all of them. Other equipment such as weapon selection,camo patterns, optics will vary with the type of terrain you are hunting so ask some more specific questions related to the areas you are hunting and we will try to help you out.

There are a couple of sticky threads and some similar newbie questions posted on another sight I frequent that are so full of coyote hunting wisdom I will just post a link here. I am not trying to steal members from here but take a look around this site if you are serious about predator hunting. The site owner JRB hunter has forgotten more about calling coyotes than I will ever know.

Midwest Predator Hunters

You may see famililar face on the moderator list there too.. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: MN Coyote Hunting Reply with quote

A lot of good information here guys, thanks! Count me as another coyote hunting wanna-be. In PA., with a few exceptions during big game season, the coyote season is always open so it's something that I could do year round whenever I have the time. It's also a lot more skill specific than most other hunting so I appreciate the advise being given. Any reason to be in the woods with a rifle in my hands has to be a good thing.
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