Weapons and Finland

Bushmaster · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Weapons and Finland

Where's K.W.? I have a question for him... Confused

K.W. · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

Hello mr Bushmaster. I am here. I was spending time with my daughters boys 7- and 10 years. They live in Espoo, 70-80 miles from my home. Very Happy

Vince · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

Hey Kauko...how are you mate?

Very nasty business the shooting in Finland yesterday mate. I'm sorry to hear about it.

Is the shooting yesterday likely to hurt firearms owners badly mate?

Cheers, Vince

Bushmaster · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

And Vince beat me to it...

Good to hear you are still here. What about that shooting? All we got was stark details one time on the news and no more...

Vince · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

I'm sorry Bushy.

When I saw you calling Kauko it reminded me to ask him about the shooting.

Cheers, Vince

K.W. · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

I am wordless. Already second episode. Those young men was very sick. In the internet they was writing about anger to whole mankind and that they shall to die and take so many people with than possible.
Those men was very intelligent and good in they scools. Mayby there was some bullys in the scool too. Psychoanalyst says, parents don´t take care of own babys. They have too little time. To much working for career, house, car.... Everythin must to bee better than neighbour. Babys only keep chatting in the internet.
I think this is only the start. Now here in Finland, we have (scool)terrorits too. I am angry because they ara our own young citizens.
It is now very hard for young peoples to have first handgun. I think in the future they need certificate for mental healt and maybe something moore.
Sorry me language.

Kauko

Bushmaster · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

Kauko...I mean no disrespect, but I remember telling you that this would happen several months ago. I also remember the discusion that we all had on here about this. I do hope you can take the heat and still consider us friends here...You gave us a pretty hard time here about our 'loose gun society"...Strict gun laws no matter how strick will not stop gun violence even if you ban guns altogether. These kids could have made a bomb just as easily...

What happened in the school in Finland is unexceptable in any civilized society and is a sad state of affairs. Our condolences to the Fins... Sad

Your "language" is just fine...

K.W. · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

Not so bad language:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/eu...632661.stm

-Walther P22 Target .22LR ( likeVirgin Techin USA, but with long barrel).
- 8 women and 3 men are dead.

Pumpkinslinger · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

2.9 million firearms in a population of 5.2 million people. TWO incidents in two years. And they think the answer is to restrict gun ownership?!?! It’s ridiculous! I’d sure like to know what the police who investigated PRIOR to the shooting were thinking. What were his parents thinking??

Once again a knee-jerk reaction threatens the law abiding while having NO effect on the criminal. You’d think that they could look around the world and see that it doesn’t work.

I'm certainly not trying to minimize the tradgedy but please look at the REAL problem, the behavior of the CRIMINAL.

Vince · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

K.W. wrote:

Mayby there was some bullys in the scool too.
Psychoanalyst says, parents don´t take care of own babys.
They have too little time. To much working for career, house, car.... Everythin must to bee better than neighbour.
Babys only keep chatting in the internet.

I think this is only the start.

It is now very hard for young peoples to have first handgun. I think in the future they need certificate for mental healt and maybe something moore.
Sorry me language. Kauko

Like the others, Kauko....I too am really sorry to hear of this senseless loss of young life.

You speak sage words mate.

Society is changing...and I don't believe it is for the better. The "do-gooders" have a lot to answer for. It is an unfortunate fact of life that these days, in general, young people have no respect for society; no respect for authority; no respect for their parents/elders; no respect for other people's property, but the worst is they appear to have little or no self respect.

Until such time as the "do-gooders" stop preaching to children about their rights and telling them that their parents cannot chastise or smack them, these problems will continue to exist and will get worse. Parents are no allowed to engender a sense of discipline in their children today...very bad.

Cheers, Vince

OntheLasGallinas · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

You hit the nail on the head Vince. I raised my daughter the old fashioned way. If she misbehaved, she got a spanking. I guess I'm lucky that the socialist wackos didn't file charges on me. She wasn't given every little new trinket or toy the market threw at the public (unless she did chores for it). She was forced to use her imagination for entertainment, like we did. After being treated in such a horrible way (that's what the socialist wackos and society would say), she’s doing great. Currently, my daughter is married, the mother of two boys, just built a new home, has never asked me for a dime (after age 14), and is self employed in advertising (and doing very well). Don't get me wrong, she had everything she "needed", while growing up.

That said, the world will always have evil, soulless people, and, yes, sometimes they will be young. And, they may not use guns to commit their evil deeds. Look at the horde of freaks from the 20th century who didn't use guns to practice evil serial murders; they’ve always been around and always will.

We need to get back to the old-fashioned ways. I don’t know why society believes that change is good. You always hear on the news that social change, progress, and even a nation’s financial growth are good; look were that got us. What’s wrong with status quo? When you hit a sweet spot in life, why not stop there.

This doesn't guarantee that the problem will be solved, but to do something like confiscating guns from the public, to cure the problem, is stupid. This shows that the people making these statements, don't have a clue as to what the problem really is, or what causes it.

But hey, “their mothers were to blame”.

I know this guy that is about 53 years old and he's always griping about his mother not loving him as much as his brother (I guess he didn't get all the toys that the neighbor kids got). He says that he's got social problems because of her. I told him the other day that that was bull shit. After you are a grown man and you go out to make your way in the world, you can become the person you want to be. Quit crying about mommy. Grow up!! It’s shameful.

Cary

K.W. · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

Those yougn men was not criminals, narcotics, alcoholitics and so on. They was "fine young citizens". Everybode was thinking so.
In the internet they was lunatics misanthropes. Here in Finland police cant go to the internet because....what is that word.. it is like secret taboo for police.
Now they are founding internet police and informer-system like in China, Russia......
Mayby no more semiautomatic pistols. From old peoles the want too to take all guns away because "what are they making with guns". Somebady says, what "ordinary" citizen is making with pistol.
I am soon 70. I keep shooting all the years, in the winter and summer. I have´nt not to be so stupid, every time I shall to write my name in the book in the shootin place and make the call to the our shootingclub secretary. (Many times he is asking why yuo call so often, because I trust to you. Mayby he sall to unerstand why I was cooling every time).
Have we Finnish now too many guns? Ofcourse no! Early times there was much more.
My writing was like therapyfor my self, because I am angry to those gun hostile peoples. Next time mayby is the time for bomps and Molotov-coctails.
Have the nice times in USA and to Australia too.

Kauko PS: I cant to find my dictionary.

K.W. · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

Mr Bushmaster, there is no reason to carry guns in Finland. Those lunatics are killing only teachers and own schoolmates, because......they are evil lunatics.
Police was waiting on hour before going in the scool. There was smoke and police can´t use " too much power and violence".
There was tanks from army. And they have had bulletvests and shields, but they was getting scared because man was shooting thre times to the polices derection with Walther 22 Target pistol cal .22LR. Sad

Bushmaster · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

K.W. I am a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit holder in a country where you will most likely go through life not ever needing a firearm to defend oneself or family. But I carry anyway and will do so for the entirity of my life. If in your school you had a few teachers or faculty that were armed this might have been stopped sooner. I have three designated carry weapons. Two semi-autos (9mm X 19 and .45 ACP) and one revolver (.357 magnum). I carry (proudly) with the hopes that I never have to draw them...We even have the right to carry handguns openly in the state of Missouri and a lot of other states as well. Armed citizens have lowered the crime in this country where police were incapable of doing so. Police arrive at the "scene of the crime". Rarely, if ever, before the crime is committed.

On a lighter side..."I carry a weapon because a cop is too heavy to carry." Very Happy

You say your police were scared? What kind of "hero cops" do you have there? Please explain...

TRBLSHTR · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Weapons and Finland

It is a pitiful thing to see what all of this "new age of tolerance" has done for the civilized world.I am truly sorry for the victoms of this murderous act in Finland,and can only hope that the Finish people and government can use common sense in dealing with the outcome,and not try to disarm the public. Sad