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New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Has anyone had any experience using Hybrid 100V powder in .243, 20/05, and .270?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Didn't know they even had a new powder on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the info, I'll be checking it out also...........

By the way welcome to the site........

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Just had a quick look on their website. This is what they've go to say

"HYBRID 100V This excellent new product is the result of combining the technologies of spherical powders and extruded propellants. The chemistry of a spherical powder is combined with the geometry of an extruded propellant, creating a smooth-metering, super short granule extruded shaped propellant with high energy. HYBRID 100V has a burn speed between H4350 and H4831, yielding superb performance in such popular calibers as 270 Winchester, 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum, 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum and dozens more."

Probably get more info in time to come

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Just found
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

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HYBRID 100V has a burn speed between H4350 and H4831


That would be an excellent place to be! Very Happy

The reason I use a lot of RL19 and IMR4831 is because I am looking for a powder a little faster than IMR4350 and slower than RL22. Personally I have not has as good luck with accuracy and the Hodgdon powders as I have the IMR and RL brands. H4831 for me has always been slower than the manuals portray it to be, right there with RL22 but RL22 has always beat the pants off of H4831 as far as accuracy in my guns. YMMV

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

All you 257 Bob lovers need to look at the published data for this powder...really makes the little 25 scream and with low pressures to boot.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

I'm having good results with H4831 SC and H4350 and 115-120 gr bullets in my 257 Robts. 100 gr bullets of whichever make pattern. I am assuming the published data on 100V can be found somewhere on the Hodgdon website, although a search Monday did not turn up anything. I'll keep trying. It looks really interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

[quote="woods"]
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The reason I use a lot of RL19 and IMR4831 is because I am looking for a powder a little faster than IMR4350 and slower than RL22. Personally I have not has as good luck with accuracy and the Hodgdon powders as I have the IMR and RL brands. H4831 for me has always been slower than the manuals portray it to be, right there with RL22 but RL22 has always beat the pants off of H4831 as far as accuracy in my guns. YMMV

Hi woods: perhaps I have misread your post, however, I believe you meant a powder slower than IMR4350 and faster than RL22? Which, of course, is the placement of Reloder 19. I, too, like Reloder 22 in many applications, but, I find H4831 is a superb powder as well and would encourage trying both in comparison testing.

Marketing often dictates bring something "new" to market. Having grown up when IMR was the primary choice of powders, aside from take down H4831 milsurp, I am amazed at the array of choices that we have today. Actually, choices in virtually all things we wish to purchase. Its nice to have competition and choices, but 350 bottles of different shampoos may take it to a new level. Let's also recall the plethora of "new" cartridges that have hit the market in the past decade, of which only a very few will surivive the current decade.

Proprietary powders unavailable to the general public is always an interesting subject, afterall, if we can't get it, we want it. Hornady claims to use several in, for example, the 204 Ruger. Whether Hybrid 100V establishes a needed niche and exceeds performance in the powders currently available remains to be seen. Will it decrease pressure for higher velocity, extend barrel life or reduce recoil I doubt. But, it is "new" and because I am always curious I will be trying some as soon as possible. But, always, the skeptic.

One significant improvement, IMO, has been the Extreme series of powders from Hodgdon in such stalwarts as 4350, 4831, etal. What is confirmed is that it has less temperature related velocity variation. So, I run a lot of hunting rifles on Extreme series powders.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Yep, you got me handloader. I just put that out there to see if anyone was paying attention! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

woods: in your Hillary photo, is the dog named Obama? Regardless, I like it. I like it a lot.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Handloader:
Totally I agree about "New and Improved!" Bang Head But, as you have stated, the Extreme powders seem to be a solution to the radical swings of temprerature available in my home state.

However, going by Hodgdon figures, Hybrid 100 V may be a horse of a different color for a healthy range of cartridges, not just the sweaty dream of an advertising copywriter.

Here I go, though, not leaving well enough alone. Cool My understanding is that bullets of similar design, weight, and construction will all exit the barrel at about the same speed, given similar pressures.

How Hybrid 100 V can produce a couple of hundred feet per second more velocity, and at about the same wimpy pressures as Hodgdon reports for its "maximum" loads is passing strange to me.

But, it opens up the intriguing possibility of very safe "over max" , or +P loads, raising the pressure of the cartridge to a more realistic average of ~50,000 cup, like most other sensible modern cartridges.

Nonetheless, it is interesting, and I plan to buy a pound to play....uhhhh, experiment!... EXPERIMENT! with Very Happy ... that's what I meant to say...and see what's what. Smile

Unfortunately, Hodgdon does not seem to officially recognize the existence of 117 and 120 gr. bullets, and don't publish H powder loads for the 257 Roberts in those weights. Oh well, Barnes and Nosler do! Cool

There are more ways than one to relieve a feline of its integument! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

sniper: I recall some information when the short fat cartridges were introduced about being able to improve velocity within the same pressure ranges by changing the profile of the peak pressure curve. Beyond that, it is the domain of the internal ballistician as far as I am concerned.

Powder, when ignited by the primer, does not burn progressively from the back of the cartridge to the front. The primer "spark" will ignite all the contained powder simultaneously, so, as pressure rises the powder is burning uniformly at all points within the brass case. Some of the latest lab tests show preferances for short fat powder columns and, even, for shoulder slope. Also, for some types of powders. I suspect that much of the improvements in accuracy and velocity/pressure have come from manipulating some of these factors.

But, I would like to hear from someone "in the know".
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

SHORT AND FAT:

The short fat concept is nothing new to the industry. The benchrest world has been using this idea for years now. The most noticable of coarse is the 6MM PPC. Wildcatters have also learned this with the 404 Jeffry. (someone please correct me if I stated the wrong parent case here, can't find my notes on this ) Its amazing to me that the hunters and informal shooters are taking so long to come around to this idea.
Will the 300 WSM replace the 300 Win mag? I dout it and don't expect it to, but anyone looking for a good 30 cal. rifle should take a serious look at it.
I agree with Handloader on his statement that alot of the new will not survive the future. This is sad. I think the industry is going to miss a chance to make forward strides of progress.


HIGH ENERGY, EXTREME, HYBRID

This is another area alot of handloaders are having trouble warming up to.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say "Ive been using this or that powder for the last 30 years".
Ok, I understand the don't fix what isn't broke theory. But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cleaner,more consistant velocity,and temp issues, whats not to like about all that???????????????

Vihta Vuori has a line of powder that is said to increase avg. vel. by about 200 FPS.
I'm yet to find someone using it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's been around for at least 5 years that I know about. And most that I mention it to haven't even heard of it.
Hmmmmmmmmm!!! this might be a good topic for a thread.


Anyways, I will be trying the 100V this summer without a dout.

Keep the info coming on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

Regarding new powders, has anyone got their hands on the WW 780?

Supposed to be a 4831 burning rate in a Winchester ball powder. I've had success in getting a fast twist 204 Ruger to propel a 50 gr Berger to 3500 fps using 760. But, there is unused powder capacity. My thoughts are that by filling that 10% of remaining capacity with the slower burning rate 780 powder, the 204 may reach the 3700 fps velocity, with the 50 gr bullet, that I feel it is capable of.

According to the WW press release, 780 is the powder that Winchester is using in several cartridges. Perhaps this is the powder that is used to obtain the velocities for the 204 that the reloader hasn't been able to safely duplicate.

Link to WW 780 Press Release

On the Hogdon Reloading Data Center there are loads listed for the 780 powder.

OOOPS, Didn't notice WY111 link, sorry.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: New Hodgdon powder Hybrid 100V Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:

HIGH ENERGY, EXTREME, HYBRID

But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cleaner,more consistant velocity,and temp issues, whats not to like about all that???????????????

Vihta Vuori has a line of powder that is said to increase avg. vel. by about 200 FPS.
I'm yet to find someone using it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's been around for at least 5 years that I know about. And most that I mention it to haven't even heard of it.

Exactly!

But, As far as VV, although it has been around for a while, It seems to be an uncertain quantity. And, HOW do you pronounce it? Also, concerns about consistent availability might drive use of powders that are seen as "American", as opposed to them "furrin" makes.
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