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d_hoffman Super Member
Joined: Feb 13, 2007 Posts: 696 Location: Chillicothe, Ohio
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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Must be the gun it's self. Even though CVA recomends them, everybody else with a CVA that I've talked to has problems with accuracy. Like they say, all guns are made different. Your TC's might just have a tighter bore than the CVA's. That's good that they work for your TC's, good shooting.
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 1486 Location: Miles City, Montana
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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I know of several people shooting rifles other than T/C that feel Powerbelts are "adequate". Knight Rifle shooters don't seen to like them, neither do Remington ML Rifle shooters (either the model 700 ML or the new Genesis (short for genuine piece of shit) ). However, ML rifles with fairly accurate bore dimensions stuffed with enough powder to force the powerbelts to engage the rifling seem to be fairly accurate.
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d_hoffman Super Member
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:24 am Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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So in other words, for the majority, They suck!!!!!!!!
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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Yeah, I guess you could say that!
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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d_hoffman wrote: |
Must be the gun it's self. Even though CVA recomends them, everybody else with a CVA that I've talked to has problems with accuracy. |
CVA recommends them because both CVA and Powerbelt are owned by Blackpowder Products Inc.
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popgun Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Mitchell, GA, U.S.A. (2007 pop. 191)
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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d_hoffman wrote: |
Hey Popgun, I do use granular American Pioneer powder. I did 5gr increment adjustments with my charge from 80gr to the max 150gr...still no accuracy. They bullets loaded really easy meaning they are too undersized and they wobbled slightly when fired. Therefore, no accuracy. |
I agree that the Powerbelts are not the most accurate bullet. Effective? Yes!
The bullet is loose loading and shooting. The standard deviation (or rattle factor) must be in the high 3000's lolololol
But using Powerbelts and getting a 4" group at 100 is not bad out of a muzzleloader. Plenty good enough for deer hunting. My rifle prefers the Hornady XTP 240 gr bullets for real accuracy past 100.
I am sticking to Triple Se7en granular for best accuracy. For quick reloads the 50/50 T7 pellets are just fine.
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Pumpkinslinger Super Member
Joined: Sep 22, 2007 Posts: 5002 Location: NC foothills
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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My buddy and I, both using .50 Powerbelts (295 and 348 grain, haven't ried the 245s) and 777 powder in T/C Encores, can get three shot groups just about 1.5" at 100 yds off the bench. We're both using 100-120 grains of powder, he uses pellets and I use loose powder. The key I found was that they shot best with DRY bores. I've had similar results with sabot loads. Apparently the plastic is pretty slick and any lube in the bore can make it so slick that the skirt or sabot slides in the rifling, not getting stabilized properly. On the other hand lead bullets won't shoot well at all in the 1-in-20" twist of the Encore.
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d_hoffman Super Member
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shrpshtrjoe Super Red Neck Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 2965 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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I shot the xtps for quite awhile and they are very accurate. I recently tried the 245 PowerBelts again in my Traditions Pursuit Pro and am getting about 3" groups at 100yds. Rem primers 110 grains of 777 powder. They didn't shoot that well out of my old muzzleloader and I didn't give them a fair test when I started this thread. 3 " groups at 100yds is alright for the distances I'm shooting
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Crackshot Super Member
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1693 Location: Mich
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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Im gonna give the power belts a try again when my Knight MK85 comes back from knight with it new barrel. I will not, however give triple seven a try again. Black powder all the way!
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 1486 Location: Miles City, Montana
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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shrpshtrjoe wrote: |
I shot the xtps for quite awhile and they are very accurate. I recently tried the 245 PowerBelts again in my Traditions Pursuit Pro and am getting about 3" groups at 100yds. Rem primers 110 grains of 777 powder. They didn't shoot that well out of my old muzzleloader and I didn't give them a fair test when I started this thread. 3 " groups at 100yds is alright for the distances I'm shooting
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Hey Joe,
If you have a chance, try the 270 gr. Platinums too.
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Crackshot Super Member
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1693 Location: Mich
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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XTP's are great in my hand cannons for hunting and excellent accuracy. So I would imagine they would work great for ML rifles.
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frontiergander Rookie Member
Joined: Jul 29, 2008 Posts: 9
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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Try an assortment of primers as they can make a huge difference in how the bullet groups. Remington Kleanbore/Winchester777 primers are the most accurate in my Omega with Powerbelts.
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SingleShotLover Super Member
Joined: Dec 26, 2007 Posts: 1005 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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Another variable is bullet weight. If your barrel has a slower twist (1/32 - 1/48 etc.) a shorter (lighter) Power Belt might make the difference. The slower twist rates might not be stabilizing them. As I stated before, my 1/22" barrel shoots them like a centerfire cartridge....with Triple7.
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 1486 Location: Miles City, Montana
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: PowerBelts |
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I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to show that PB's CAN be accurate, and share some photos of today's target, 'cause Joe never gets to see any "accuracy" photos...
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