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popgun Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Mitchell, GA, U.S.A. (2007 pop. 191)
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: Load Name..... |
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Hi Dallen,
I know that it is late in the process but here goes.
Instead of "Load Name" entry block how about entering the firearm that the load is developed for? Makes since because every gun is an individual and we are working up loads for an individual gun and not many others. A drop-down menu to select a firearm from all of the entered firearms in the "Inventory". So instead of a "Load Name" it would be "Firearm". It's just better record keeping.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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I think you can put any name you want in the load name box. I use a name that defines the gun, powder and bullet as the load name. It makes it easy for me to know what the load is before I open it.
I thought about building a database using the weapon and all the components as searchable items but it is too complex to be easy to use. The PB load name works because it is simple and flexible enough for everyone from the novice to the records nut like me. You could make it more cmplex by giving eacg weapon a code from a to zzz and each component the same way so that a load name would be a series of letters that you could decode with a database but why?
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DallanC Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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Popgun is just practicing for his new job of being a lobbiest
Haha just teasing you popgun.
We are having a discussion in the PointBlank testers forum and popgun has some good points and wanted to get a bit more info from the general userbase here hence this post. The topic is how to list load information... right now loads arent tied to a specific rifle but I think we will change that. I'm digging into it to see how much time it will take... it shouldnt be too bad.
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Vince Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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That is a good idea Chris. Although to simplify things it might well be easier to simply put a Comments box into the load data page.
A load is a load....doesn't really matter what the calibre or firearm is. A .243 load will usually be suitable for any .243, it just may not be the best load for a given firearm. That is where the Comments box can be used....list the firearm for which you have developed this load.
This might stop Dallan from tearing his hair out....he'll end up looking like me.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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My two 30-'06's don't share well. One likes WW760 powder with the 165 grain bullet and the other one (my favorite) likes H414 or H380 with the same 165 grain bullet. Different stroke works for more than just folks. I think the smaller or straight wall cases are more tollerant because my two 357 Maximums shoot the same loads and almost always have. I use 180 grain rifle bullets for them and have been using H110. I am trying something new right now with AA1680 to see if I can do better.
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DallanC Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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Vince wrote: |
A load is a load....doesn't really matter what the calibre or firearm is. A .243 load will usually be suitable for any .243, it just may not be the best load for a given firearm. That is where the Comments box can be used....list the firearm for which you have developed this load. |
PaulS wrote: |
My two 30-'06's don't share well. One likes WW760 powder with the 165 grain bullet and the other one (my favorite) likes H414 or H380 with the same 165 grain bullet. Different stroke works for more than just folks. |
And that is the crux of the initial problem. I thought like Vince, Popgun thinks like PaulS.
Most people who use PointBlank dont own several rifles in the same caliber. Most of the requests for features / changes come from people who have "single use". I only own a single rifle in each caliber so having a ".270" load is pretty straight forward but I can see the problem if you have several .270's.
Anyway I've started down the road of this change and I thought up a couple interesting ideas to make the overall "Browsability" of the data as simple as posible. Need another 8 hours or so on it to get things converted over.
Thanks for the suggestions and help.
-DallanC
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popgun Member
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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Popgun,
That table you posted with how its laided up with the firearms, then goes down progressivly I was like Vince and Dallan but I was thinking about it today and I came to the conculsion its the most logical way to orgenize the loads to please everyone.
Sure you might not have that many rifles in the same caliber or you might only have one firearm right now (like me ) but its not that much more difficult to add the name of the rifle and plus worst comes to worst if you do buy a new rifle in the same caliber you wont mix up loads in the future.
Popgun that menu system you used you should post here for people to get a understanding of how "neatly" organized it is
Dimitri
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Load Name..... |
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Got ya Popgun
Dimitri
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