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pete4d Super Member
Joined: Nov 27, 2011 Posts: 957 Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:28 pm Post subject: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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This is no joke California governor,,, “””Gov. Gavin Newsom has appealed directly to investor Warren Buffett to support demolishing four hydroelectric dams on a river along the Oregon-California border “”””””””””
And they're going through rolling black-outs. because they can't produce enough electric power now
Seems they're trying to show how stupid they are....
Prove me wrong ,,,,Please
link,,,,, www.sfgate.com/news/ar...447595.php
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15704 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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Oh yes he will. He wants to eliminate all gas cars in 5 years too. With no electricity the freeways are going to be full of bicycles...
Quick before property values drop, move to California. With a little time you can be a movie star! Or you will end up a homeless drug addict.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:07 am Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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I can see in the future. Won't be long when the USSR of C is nothing but solar panels and wind generators and they will still be in the dark.
ByTheWay...the USSR of C get a lot of their power from out of state.
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Loke Member
Joined: May 13, 2013 Posts: 207
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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One of the reasons they are finding themselves in the dark is they are refusing to buy electricity from coal fired plants. They complain that they are big polluters, unlike their forest fires.
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tikkat3 Super Member
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Elvis Super Member
Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9239 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:43 am Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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yes we seeing the push for electric cars too...but it takes a lot of power to make them and the footprint of battery is arguably worse than the fuel.... not to mention the bits battery is made of and the growing pile of dead cars with unfixable issues already.
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dhc4ever Super Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:32 am Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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Green, the new marketing speil since low fat has been debunked.
Are there viable clean sources of electricity?
Good question.
Define clean.
Is biomass a clean source of energy? f*88 no, with a caviate.
That being, are they harvesting the methane gas from land fill sites, big tick if yes.
Are they then pulping forests for wood chips and burning them as fuel?
Please explain to me how coal is bad, but wood chips are good as a fuel.
So no tick there and yet that is now nearly 50% of green energy production in the USA.
You guys are supposed to be smarter than that, being leaders of the free world and all.
IMO the cleanest source of power emissions wise is a modern nuclear power plant, no not the majority that are currently in operation, the older ones lose out badly in the nuclear waste and decommissioning issues.
Wind and solar have a place, IF someone can come up with a way of storing the vast amounts of energy they can prooduce when the wind blows and the sun shines, crack that and things will be good until we get fusion on line sometime in the next 100 years.
Unfortunately there are too many vested interests, coal, gas, wood chipping etc stopping decent development of alternative power sources, decent storage and modern nuclear etc.
As Pete said at the start "Prove me wrong"
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pete4d Super Member
Joined: Nov 27, 2011 Posts: 957 Location: Dixie , Alabama , & Louisiana
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:12 am Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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dhc4ever ,,,Most of us in the good old USA are pretty level headed , with some common sense , Now our politicians are another matter.
Seems that some are on a power trip ,trying too out do each other
pete
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:18 am Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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Just what I have always wanted. Thousands of square miles of solar panels and wind generators.
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Loke Member
Joined: May 13, 2013 Posts: 207
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:04 am Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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And then we must decommission the hydroelectric plants. In my mind this is the only sustainable form of truly environmentally friendly electricity. It is there as long as you have a water supply and gravity.
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15704 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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_________________ Cheers, Vince
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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Well, green energy means different things to different folks. If it takes 50 years to grow a tree that burns up in 3 months then the only way that is green is if you only burn one tree in 50 years.
"Modern nuclear power plant" if you are talking about one that uses fuel rods only burns 5 to 10% of its fuel before the rest have to be put in long term storage. That is neither green nor efficient. If you are talking about a Liquid Fluoride Thorium reactor then it is over 95% efficient and uses Thorium which is hundreds of times more abundant than the uranium you need for fuel rods.
You can put up enough solar and wind to provide power for a single home as long as you have enough batteries to do the job after the sun goes down and when the wind is below 10 mph because you can throttle your use to match what is available to you. Most of the world wants to have hot water, clean clothes, warm food and lighting on demand and that requires a consistent and predictable power supply.
There are a few questions being raised about whether fusion will provide a predictable and high enough quantity of electrical power for mass consumption. You still need diesel for trucks and trains and aircraft fuel for passenger and military planes. There is also fertilizer, medicines and a host of plastics and other daily use items that all come from fossil fuels.
A lot of challenges ahead. I'm not saying it can't be done just that there are a lot of things most folks are not considering.
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PaulS Super Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: No joke ,,,Prove me wrong |
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NASA has tested some all electric turbines on aircraft but the big hangup is batteries.
As far as green energy there are some good options but right now the best is hydroelectric with geothermal coming in a close second - if they make use of the hot spots that are available. East and slightly north of Yellowstone could be developed to produce more power than all the dams in the USA combined. It would have to be built as a closed loop system (double loop) but it will make someone a ton of money.
I also think that we need to have some Liquid Fluoride Thorium reactors to produce the isotopes needed by NASA and the medical field. They don't generate long lived isotopes that have to be stored for centuries and they use almost everything they do produce. The reactors will still have to be scrapped out but they have a very long time in use before that is required.
Farther out in the future will be a device that "pulls" energy from the zero point field. Maybe in a hundred or so years??
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