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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Ok Elvis,

I was able to get some pictures uploaded, and most will not have comments added, so if you or anyone else has any questions, please ask so I don't feel like I wasted my time doing this...

These first pictures show some of the components used in my steel shot loads, and the steps in their assembly...

BBB steel -




NEVER EVER have more than "1" powder on your reloading bench at a time!!! This was just to show the specific powders that I use for reloading steel shot..








































I did this in a rush, since it is looking like rain for the rest of the day.

3 - shots at 60 yards with my semi-auto and UFO choke tube. there are 118 pellets inside the 30" circle, with a total payload of 144 pellets. So even though 60 yards may be stretching the range a bit, if you hit a mallard or goose with this load, you are definitely going to kill it! Like I said before, and why I shoot loads like this, you either have a clean kill or you have a clean miss, and that's the way I like it...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Slightly different load with T steel:

Love this shot size for geese, and with the hundreds and hundreds of geese that I have shot with T steel, from 40 yards to the far side of 60 yards, I have only recovered "3" pellets from any of the geese that I have shot. All the rest have been full penetration, in one side and out the other!

There may not be a lot of pellets in this load, but it is a very deadly combination on any size goose and at any range...















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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

I have never found a wad that has separated in two, by using the 2 petal cut...





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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

They look like outstanding loads mate...very tight. I like the nice neat layering of the shot in the hull...almost like you have individually placed each piece by hand.

Out of curiosity, what is the MEC press model you are using mate? I added an adjustable charge bar to my press...gave me a bit more versatility to adjust loads as I rather like a 26 gram payload for shooting clays. I don’t hunt ducks mainly because we aren’t allowed to in our State courtesy of the greenie tree hugging snowflakes. burr

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Thank you Vince!

My Mec is a "Sizemaster"...

All of my 12 ga. loads are specialty loads, and all loaded one at a time, so I don't bother with using a charge bar. I have a new in the box universal charge bar, but I'll be danged if I can find it! Oh well...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

An extra wrap inside the wad to protect the barrel... why didn't I think on this?
Do you sometimes clean your barrel with white spirit or some other stuff to wipe out plastic that builds up? What kind of wrap do you use, this plastic map one put papers in?
And for you some things might sound common, even I understand a "UFO", but what's "UFO choke"? A choke to kill drones?

Here I'm, an old man that even hunted for 2 years with cartridges loaded with black powder and now you make me feel that I don't know anything about reloading shotshells... but as with your new or rebuild rifles you seem to attrack attention enough to go where I didn't go before... Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

really interesting wads....they have a cusion just like the old lead ones...the steel ones we can get are basically cups... I tried different amounts of slits and from memory settled on 3 just cause.... with your stacked loads your remove a step I do...counting pellets....easy to do in an old primer tray. I must get kit back out one day and load up some more 1oz loads...just been out and bought a 15hp motor for the dingy to replace our old 6hp...... geese dont have any protection over here anymore sadly...but it does mean I can shoot them all year around with whatever I like...the ones where we shoot KNOW my boat and its motor sound as we have shot one or 20 out of it over the years...the huas wont be able to fly faster than we can motor now so interesting times ahead........cant see me being game to repeat what I did opening day with bigger motor......full throttle (26kmph)at a mob flying across front and went hands free to shoot..the new donk should get us up to closer to 40.......fun times.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

and YES that is a great pattern. we have an old rule that no load bigger/more grunty than a lead #BB may be used and no maimai /stand placed closer than 90 yards from another without permission........ think about that one for a moment...... rule is there to stop guys fatally shooting each other....I would argue the new steel BBs particularly the likes of hypersteel (ouch my shoulder hurts just typeing that) going 1700fps would be nudging that energy level and some of the heavi shot type loads possibly exceed it.
those sheels look awesome...now the ones you reject because of slight imperfections to crimp etc...... surely one of your mates uses an u/o or SxS..... no worries for them..which is where/how I use all my reloaded shells.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Aloysius - the wraps that I put inside the wad are "mylar" and they are .0025 in thickness...

I coat all wads with motor mica, as well as coat the bore with a dusting of it before going shooting or hunting. It keeps plastic from sticking to the bore, no matter how much I shoot, and when I clean the bore, I just run a very lightly oiled patch down the bore and it shines like a mirror...

I guess you could kill a drone with a UFO choke tube, but I don't think the drone owner would be too happy!

The UFO choke tube that I am referring to is made by Jimmy Muller here in the states. I tried over 30 different choke tubes before settling on this one, and it works very well for me...




My intent is to teach those that are willing and wanting to learn about loading steel shot loads, or any other type of ammo as far as that goes. It is NEVER my intention to make anyone feel like they know nothing about reloading shotshells, or any other type of ammunition. My apologies if it came across that way...

Me personally, I like the CLBC wads for a couple of different reasons. They come "unslit" which allows me to be able to customize them exactly how I want them...




My preferred wad cut is 2 full length cuts, down to the base of the shotcup...




Another thing I like about this shotcup is the deep over powder cup on it. It allows for a complete and consistent powder burn, which translates into uniform velocity and pressure...




The slight crush section on this wad allows for a perfect fit in specified loads, and fits perfectly in the Federal Gold Medal hull...




This was one of the recovered wads from the BBB load I shot the other day. If you look real close at the inside base of the wad, you can actually see impressions from the granulated buffer that was used in the load...




Here is one of the recovered mylar wraps that was inside the wad. On the top part of the wrap, you can see where it was folded down when the shell was crimped...




This next to the last picture just shows a couple more choke tubes that I use for steel shot loads...

"Decoy" choke tubes for shots out to 40 yards...

"Passing" choke tubes for shots out to 50 yards...

"UFO" choke tubes for shots out to 60 yards...




This is why I like the UFO choke tube for pass shooting big geese!




And just for the record, all of my shots are not at long range! It just happens that the few places where I get to hunt, the birds have been hammered so hard, that you cannot get them inside of 50 yards, regardless of decoy spread, calling or anything else. I have learned how to overcome and adapt, and that was to come up with a load that would allow me cleanly kill a goose at the maximum distance I could, and I have totally succeeded with my long range T steel load...



I have put a lot time, money and effort into coming up with the steel loads that I shoot, as well as having the right gun, choke and barrel set up, so all I need now is for waterfowl season to get here and be able to take off for a few days and hopefully bag some birds...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Elvis - I hope you new motor works out good for you. Should be a big performance boost to go from a 6 hp. up to a 15 hp. Good for you!

You guys can shoot geese year round?!?! I hope there's plenty to go around...

Very good idea on your 90 yard stand placement, and very smart! I hunt by myself or my wife goes with me, and I definitely would not want to be around any other hunters. Too many things to go wrong, and just too many "stupid" people out there that have no common sense!

I have shot a couple of those Remington Hyper Sonic loads and gave the rest away. Very dangerous shell in my opinion...

Good luck with your new motor and your future bird hunts...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

I’ve never considered loading steel shot for a couple of reasons...I can cast #7.5 lead alloy shot, among others, easy enough and at this time I don’t have a need for steel shot...but no doubt that is coming.

Your chokes David...are they “steel specific” mate, or are they just one of the many quality brands out there? I’m just wondering if they would be useful for lead shot shooting Sporting Clays if they are available for my Miroku Mk11 O/U. Might have to do a check of some websites.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

I load steel shot because of Federal Regulations, since I hunt waterfowl, and I'm not about to pay those stupid high prices for the non-toxic alternatives!

These particular choke tube are designed specifically for steel shot...

Here is a link to where I ordered my choke tubes from:

mullerchokes.com/pages/home

Jimmy Muller makes choke tubes specifically for trap and skeet guns, long range lead loads, etc.. You can buy them, try them out and if you don't like them, Muller will either exchange them or send you you're money back. They are on the expensive side, but the money back guarantee made them a worthwhile option for me, plus they were the best patterning choke tubes I have used for steel shot...

For most "lead" loads though, I prefer Hastings extended choke tubes. For crow, coyote and turkey, where shotgun shots are long and tight patterns needed, Hastings extended tubes are really hard to beat. I have tried over 62 different choke tubes from various manufacturers, looking for the best patterns from my guns for their intended use, and Muller and Hastings have been the best "for me"...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Thanks mate...I’ll check them both out. The “go to” chokes over here in Oz are usually Briley’s offerings.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

from what I can see the steel chokes are longer and more gradual and to start with were about 2 degrees of choke more open.......now you can get chokes almost as full/tight as the old lead ones were they are just longer....the other thing they have done is moved the constriction OUTSIDE the barrel/past the muzzle so if it does turn to custard and shot "bridge" and bulge the choke it is less likely to jam in place or stuff barrel itself...my pump came with 2xmodified chokes...both read same on a choke guage but one is internal (lead only) the other sticks out 2" past muzzle and that one pretty much lives in shottie unless Im jump shooting when I put in old school winchoke which is 1/4 choked.....both work well....not sure if the ported chokes are much more than a gimmick.....if they were ported only on top it would reduce barrel flip but as it is they look like "loudeners" to me.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Steel shot loading?!?! Reply with quote

Your welcome Vince! Briley make some very good choke tubes too...


Elvis -I think it far better to have the choke tube constriction outside and past the barrels muzzle, especially if shooting the larger sizes of steel shot. This way you prevent damage to the barrel, and permanently swage a useless choke tube in it...

You're right about the ported choke tubes, they are nothing more than a sales gimmick, as their very design does not and cannot do anything to lower recoil. Some guys just like the way they "look" and think of it as a "cool factor" more than anything else. Some guys just use them to annoy their hunting buddies, so they won't hunt next to them in the blind because of the extra noise some of them make, which can be quite annoying to say the least...

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