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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

tlo7mm, I get my news from as many places as I can get it and cross-check as much as I can. I don't disagree that there are too many situation where police have pulled their guns too soon and shot and killed people when other options where available. This frustrates me also. Including when the California Police fired on the wrong blue truck when they were trying to track-down and capture a ex-cop gone police killer. They put 60 some bullets (did I remember the number correctly) into the vehicle. I don't understand how the two ladies survived. Their actions were completely out of line IMO.

Using the Ferguson incident is the wrong choice for raising this issue.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

Accusing people of listening to the media? I have no idea what that means, but I have to say the media I watch is everywhere I can get it, that way I can compare and average out what's liberal and what's conservative about what I'm getting. I'm not talking about the past two years worth of cop killing and who was innocent and who was guilty in those cases and as far as the straw that broke the camel's back goes, oh no you don't! The media planned this riot, they stoked the fire, lied about the evidence before the body was cold and produced a made to order riot. It wasn't reported like news it was reported like it was a cause. I've never seen such disregard for the criminal justice system until liberals decided to have it their way or the hiway and absence of government equals anarchy. The media supports it, heck they wallow in it, they promote it, it's good news content for them.

It's their right as US citizens to riot and burn innocent businesses? and you don't blame them one bit for it. Don't criticize those who are scared for their families? you mean the "peaceful protesters" that are destroying a town over a cops decision to protect his life and protect them from a thug?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

tlo7mm, I never said that I knew exactly what happened in Ferguson. However, if I wanted to, I could now read all the info that the grand jury had available. Over the years Dad (much more often than I) and I have been interviewed by the media and noted that they pretty much never got the information completely correct. In fact they sometimes changed things to promote THEIR "agenda". And these weren't even important stories. Read a history of the Spanish-American War and you'll see that the press ruthlessly stirred things up to sell papers.

As for these so-called "civil rights leaders"... We've seen time and again that Sharpton, Jackson, etc. will bend the truth any way they can to insure that they can continue making a living off of "racism".

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

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A good example of what I am talking about is a fella locally that is a business owner killed a woman that my wife knew while she was walking down the street. He had been drinking and hit her with his truck. He immediately left the scene. He was arrested previously for beating his girlfriend but was let go. He was picked up that night by the cops but was again let go. He is set to go to trial but in the meantime he has been let free to continue his illegal activities that are definitely much more minor then killing someone but that isn't the point. The man should be in prison and the justice system is doing nothing to protect the people of this area from him. .


and if a police officer sees this fella down a dark alleyway or some such and he is told to put up his hands but instead scratches his arse and gets shot dead..will you be leading the lynchmob Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed oops sorry PROTESTORS who will/will you?? be crying for justice for the poor dead crim/helpless victim of police brutality?????

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:12 am    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

tlo7mm...I assume you get your information from the media mate...so one must assume that your info is just as skewed as you think others might be.

1. The press are notorious for initiating and fueling what could have been a "flash in the pan" for the sake of selling papers or gaining ratings. They are also quick to haul out the race card in order to make things more volatile, which works in their favour.

2. Journalists NEVER let the truth get in the way of a good chance of a story.

3. The so-called "civil rights leaders" have an agenda that they follow religiously and to hell with the community.

4. The Rent a Crowd protestors were too close and available for them to have not been bought in by the "riot organisers".

5. The riots, as far as I am concerned, are driven by criminal elements who take the opportunity to loot for their own ends.

As my Dad used to tell me..."Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see".

It's terrible that a Police Officer, or anybody, has to take another human's life, but unfortunately there are many out there that have no respect for the laws of society or for human life. It is unfortunate that Police Officers deal with 90% (or more) of societies scum and only 10% decent people.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

Like most on this forum I have listened to the media, read a few papers, read what was on the net and read the preliminary autopsy reports. Came to my own opinion/belief and picked a side.

Whether I was right in my decision or not it doesn't really matter. A group of the officer's peers decided that he didn't commit a crime and was aquited and his life ruined. ALL BECAUSE OF A COMMON THIEF AND THUG.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

Vince has brought up a good point. If you need protestors at your riot or sit-in or bake sale, you can hire them. There is a well known, WELL ARMED group of professional native protestors from eastern Ontario/Western Quebec that have shown up at protests for native issues all over Canada and the US. It is really funny that law enforcement, intelligence services and the average joe on the street protesting knows this but the media doesn't mention any of these facts. IT DOESN"T FOLLOW OUR SCRIPT! Make Sh*t up and sell some tv time or newspapers. What people see most times is not what is really there. And the subject matter is spread so far and wide that readers are overwhelmed with exactly what is not there. "The Kings New Clothes "

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

Without being there its hard to definitely state either way how this went down. I do fully believe though that the grand jury had access to much more information than the rest of the country, and if there were any doubt about this, they would have voted to let it go to trial.

We had a man shot in my state not long ago, who was walking down the sidewalk carrying a sword (in its sheath). He wasn't doing anything wrong, the cops stopped him... pictures show the cops and the young man smiling and appear to be joking with each other. Very short time after that picture, the officers stated he drew the sword and lunged at them forcing them to fire back. All his wounds were in his back... people are protesting the police's story. Fortunately we dont have rioting here... but people are mighty upset over it.

I know alot more about this case than Ferguson as it was 15 miles or so from my house. I've seen alot of the surveillance footage, alot of pictures showing the stop... but I still have to admit I don't know all the facts.

What I absolutely do know however, is it was 100% legal for him to walk down a sidewalk in my state carrying that sword, just as it would have been had he been carrying a rifle... or shotgun, makes no difference. Open carry weapons are 100% legal and it bothers me that the police would stop him when he was just walking along (LOTS of video / pictures show him prior to the stop with the sword in its sheath slung over his shoulder).

All of these events are unfortunate. Its more so those in Ferguson and other places using it as an excuse to riot. How on earth does it help their cause to loot and burn some innocent person's business who had nothing to do with the shooting (and most of those businesses were owned by fellow black people).


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

Some people have unreasonable expectation of the police force.
Being a LEO does not make them a superhero all of a sudden.
They do not gain fortitude, strength of moral, agility, fighting or sharp shooting skill, just for being a LEO.
Most of them are like you and me, all of us wish to go home at the end of the day.

Expecting police officer to be able to stop a determined (or stoned out of their mind idiots) gently, just because they are a police is complete unreasonable.
In any combative situation the aim is to stop the opposite side as soon as possible before further damages can be done.
If the force required is lethal then unfortunately that is what it need.

What if the idiot in Ferguson were not shot, but instead he grab a by stander for hostage, or go home and kill a neighbor or something in that scenario..
The press would have had a field day saying that the police LET him out.. etc etc..

Bottom line,
The press are as bad as lawyers, they twist reality to whatever profitable for them.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

Or what if brown did get the officer's gun...

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

gelandangan wrote:
Bottom line,
The press are as bad as lawyers, they twist reality to whatever profitable for them.

Bingo, there are very few news media that will "print" or state the facts correctly.

www.washingtonpost.com...e-officer/

and

www.washingtonpost.com...-to-shoot/

And since when does "protesting" consist of setting fires to 25 businesses (at last count) fit in?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

7mm - I agree that there are some of us that should never carry a badge - period. But that minuscule minority are not a true reflection of the rest of us, and that goes for every normal white, Afro American, Latino or Aussie kid out there, one kid is off the rails and gets himself shot out of stupidity or bravado - we will never know but we don't right off all the other kids do we.
Media can be a cops best friend or worst enemy depending on 1 factor - Will it sell papers or airtime simple. I deal with the media nearly every day I have to be very careful on what I say - I'm being recorded each and everytime and I know that - I also make sure the media reps I speak with are aware of the rules of engagement - if they make something up or falsely report - that's the last time they will ever get anything of value out of me and trust me there's a couple of reporters in our area who have crossed the line and it's all downhill for them from here.
Ferguson is a spark for injustices which have nothing to do with Micheal, it's been allowed to perpetuate by the media and fringe protest groups as well as people that use the excuse to hit back at 'the man'
I read a book by Evan Wright - Hell-a nation (same author who wrote Generation Kill) it's about all the fringe society in American from Porn to Anachists, Right wing gun nuts ( ops that's us isn't it according to the media) it's a bloody interesting read and explains to me some of the out there fringe groups America has to deal with - glad I'm not there as a cop as I'm sure I'd be shooting first and asking questions later on a whole lot of levels.
Too many agendas being used for this one IMHO - my thoughts are with the officer first and final - it's a tragedy for him. Right place right time - tragic result due to a young mans thought process believing he was invincible. That's how I see it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

And now the president or the US wants to visit Ferguson. Ain't that nice...
That'll really be a big help.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Ferguson Reply with quote

It won't help him, but his political compatriots will gain from it if he does any good.

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