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303 Savage Loads
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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Northern Canuck
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Anyone have a listing for loading the 303 savage? I cannot find too much data on this cartridge and would like to reload for it as a box of 20 shells here in Canada can cost up to $75.00. Not a real barn burner but I know my Grandfather sure shot many a deer with it. I have had someone say the 170 gr .308 leads work good, I just was skeptical of their load data. wtf
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Northern Canuck,
My Speer manual shows loads for .311 diameter bullets. Your choice of 150 and 180 grain.
The 180 is listed with these powders:
H414, WW760, IMR 4831, IMR 4350, IMR 4895, IMR 4320, IMR 4064, IMR4198.
What do you use / have on hand / prefer?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

I have most of those powders powders on hand. From what I have read though the Savage is actually a .308 not the .311 or .312 as in the 303 British. Quite a bit of dicrepancy on the reloading of this old cartridge.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Northern Canuck, you are right about the .303 Sav. being .308 diameter and don't use 170 gr. .308 load data for it. The .308 load data is about 10 grs. more for the same powders. I have load data for the .303 Savage in an old Lyman 45th. Edition Reloading Manual using IMR powders for the jacketed bullet data in 110, 150, and 170 bullet wts. For more info. pm me and I'll do what I can. Terry.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Since the loads in my book are for the .312 bullets they are of no value to you at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Use .308 diameter bullets for the 303 Savage.
A number of years ago, I refurbished a 303 Savage 99 for a friend- including pulling the bullets on some pre WW2 ammo. The case necks were cracking, so I pulled all the bullets and annealed the case necks.
I also measured the factory bullets- they were .308 diameter, according to my mic.
I'd suggest you use 170 grain bullets designed for the 30-30, as they're designed to work at the velocities you can expect from a 303 Savage. And, you can use 30-30 loading data, since the case capacity is similar. I'm sure you're dealing with an old rifle, so I would avoid max loads.
The biggest problem you'll have with a 303 Savage is finding cases- Winchester was the last to make them, and they discontinued them about 1998 or 1999.
One other tip: if you have a 99 Savage, the idea of using pointed bullets is appealing, as you aren't using a tubular magazine that needs flat points. Well, in real life, the pointed bullet idea doesn't work too well. By the time you seat a 150 grain pointed in a 303 Savage case deep enough to feed thru the magazine, the ogive of the bullet is below the case mouth, leaving an ugly opening, and they won't feed worth beans. Stick with the flat points.
FWIW, recent factory W-W ammo loaded with 190 Silvertips chronographed at 1750 fps from the 20" barreled Savage 99 I worked with.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Cool I have an Original 303 Savage that was my Great-Grandfather's. He purchased it in 1900. He was a market hunter for quite a few years & I have pictures of him with moose, deer & black bear with the rifle in the picture also. I use this rifle now and then with Nosler BTs and data for the 30-30 Winchester with excellent results. The use of 30-30 data is recommended by many as the case capicity is very very similar. I do not use the old data as it was developed so far back that there is a bit of a difference between the same labled powders from then compaired to that powder today. The use of 30-30 data will keep you and your aged rifle shooting well and safe.

I have an article that I will look for in that you can make cases out of .303 Brit or 30-40 Krag brass that will keep you shooting. Some individuals make cases out of .220 Swift brass but the small diameter and thinness of the rim can cause problems with extraction. If you have the ability you can make a new extractor for your 99 like I did and the 220 brass works very well. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

We have lots of brass it was just safe data that we were looking for. Ours is a 99 also that belonged to my Grandfather. I had seen him drop many deer with this rifle. Now that our Grandfather is no longer with us my brother has a need to take that 99 out of the safe and bring it back to life and bring back some memories. Thanks for the info. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

I have recently purchased a 1924 Savage 1899 with a 20" barrel in phenomenal shape. I have messed around with various 150 grain loads with pretty good results but have settled on the load below for all future shooting:

170 grain Partition Round Nose
35 grains Varget
210 Federal Primer
Privi Brass from Graf & Sons
Under 1" groupings at 100 yards (3)
Marbles rear peep with Marble's front bead at .410" height

35 grains is probably the max for this load, I'm able to seat the bullet to the cannelure without heavily compressing the powder. Fired cases show no sign of excessive pressure.
It should be an excellent deer load.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

Wow...an real old thread reserected. First up, welcome to Hunting Nut TJWeatherby, grab a beer and pull up a stump. Feel free to jump in with the benefit if your experience mate, it is appreciated.

I haven't heard anything from Northetn Canuck for a little while, but I'm sure he drops in from time to time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: 303 Savage Loads Reply with quote

yip good to see first post being a goodun with advice. welcome aboard.

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