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.270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

I've got some .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips coming. I haven't found any good load data other than just use 130 load data but don't go past mid range. Does anyone have any experience with this bullet or recommend any load recipes?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

Slim,
Try here:
www.nosler.com/Reloadi...rains.aspx

Nosler has some great load data available.
It seems that Hodgdon H414 is the best powder for max velocities. If the 270 behaves like my 3006 with the H414 load just shy of 97% of maximum and work up in 1/10 grain increments to find the best accuracy/velocity combination.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

54grains of AR2213 behind a 130 grain pill is loved by my ol smoke pole. its nowhere near max and shoots very well.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

Thanks, PaulS. Note, that Nosler doesn't list the E-Tip. The E-Tip doesn't have any pressure reducing bands like Barnes and Hornady monolithic bullets. I'm a bit apprehensive about applying lead-core load data.

Elvis, It doesn't look like your powder recommendation is available in the States. Here is what I found on-line. "A slow burning rate rifle powder for cartridges such as .270 Winchester and 300 Winchester Magnum. AR2213SC replaced AR2213 in the Australian reloading market. AR2213 had been produced by ADI only for supply to the Australian reloading market and was only manufactured every three to four years."

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

yeah sorry it is the sc version I have that is supposedly the same as hogdgon H4831 which I cant get a hold of....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

AR2213SC is marketed by Hogdon as H4831SC.

The data on the ADI website says 60gr (compressed load) of AR2213SC and Hogdon lists the exact same data for H4831.

ADI 270 Win Load Data

Hogdon Manual, Page 20, 270 Win Load Data

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

Vince, interesting. It appears the ADI load manual just shows loads for general bullet weights not loads for a specific bullet like I'm accustom to. These E-Tips are a copper alloy (95% copper, 5% zinc) and are harder than the Barnes all-copper or lead-core bullets and can't take as much powder. They also don't have the bands in them like the Barnes and GMX that reduce chamber pressure. It surprises me that Nosler doesn't list load data for them. They just place a yellow slip of paper in with the bullets that says not to go past mid-way in the typical load range. I think I'll just use this general data and work at least 1.5 grains less.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

I've loaded Barnes bullets and Nosler E tips in various cartridges and the loads are about the same as with jacketed lead core bullets. If you use any data for 130 grain jacketed bullets and work up like you're supposed to anyway, you'll be fine provided you're using a strong bolt action rifle.

The powder that gives me excellent results with 130 gr. Remington Core-Lokt bullets in my 270 Winchester is IMR 8208 XBR.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

Grumulkin wrote:
If you use any data for 130 grain jacketed bullets and work up like you're supposed to anyway, you'll be fine provided you're using a strong bolt action rifle.

There is my dilemma. I'm only going to have about a dozen bullets to load and test with. I'd like to pick a powder load that will be below max but give reasonable velocity to conduct my testing with. If I'm too conservative, the velocity may be lower than it could be and not provide representative performance. I know 56.5gr of IMR 4350 is good with 130gr TSX in my rifle, 55.5gr of IMR 4350 is good with 130gr GMX. I probably can reduce it to 54.0 or 54.5 and be ok with the 130gr E-Tip.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

the AR2213sc/H4831sc will give you a nearly full case,my 54grns is at 90% of max so isnt too hot with cup n core and gives me sub moa grouping the best I get. but as you already have a good load for other copper bullets they may be a better option for you as the projectile being the only variable makes it a fairer test....does it not??

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

Here is a scan from my Nosler #7 book which has the e-tip bullet.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

In such occasions I don't hesitate to contact my friends for some Quickload calculations, even when they don't help, they give somekind of extra insurance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

he Very Happy he Very Happy he Very Happy he Very Happy he Very Happy
the most accurate load tested is pretty close to my pet load Very Happy you got to fluke it some times Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

Elvis wrote:
you already have a good load for other copper bullets they may be a better option for you as the projectile being the only variable makes it a fairer test...

Good point, Elvis. Only one variable is changing and I know that variable is good for the other bullets.

OV1, this data is helpful. Because the E-Tip is all-copper it is longer than all the other 130gr bullets that this load data supports. It's basically the size of a 150gr bullet. Thus it will reduce internal capacity and increase pressure. That is why I'm being cautious. Thanks for all the inputs!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win Nosler 130gr E-Tips Reply with quote

funny thing the size of projectiles. have you ever compared factory loads??? if you put a soft 130, PMC were a classic for this, against a 150 grain Norma you would swear the 150 was smaller. those Normas all seem to be smaller??? mayby they are denser somehow ??? or just loaded deeper??? either way they were one of my 2 favourite factory loadings back before I reloaded.

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