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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

hunterjoe21 wrote:
I guess I interpreted that incorrectly the first time I read it...

I thought you meant the '06 didn't kick more than the .308...

Nope sorry for the miss under standing was replying to the post right before mine.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

Thanks to PointBlank...

A .30-06 in a 6.5 lb rifle would have the same recoil energy as a 9 lb .300 Win Mag.

A .30-06 in a 7.6 lb rifle would have the same recoil velocity as a 9 lb .300 Win Mag.

For calculation purposes I used load info from the Speer #14 manual and 180 grain bullets.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

Eric get the pictures working ??

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

Phill, Either is good - the 06 is more of a good thing with heavier bullets. 180 grainers are the best. I have used both, this last week end actually, and they both do the job.
Camels can be tough as nails or just fall over. I hunt them probably once every 6 weeks or so - not much else available in this neck of the woods. Be prepared for a follow up shot as once they start to run they go a long way quickly even with a good lung shot.
Good luck with your hunt and with whatever calibre you decide on.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

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Why couldn't a 308 Win fire a 200 or 220 grain .308 bullet like the .30-06 can?

IIRC, in the 70s, 308Win was factory loaded in something heavier than 180gr.

There is no reason why it cannot. The issue is, can it do it well?

As an old timer I learned from once told me, "There's no substitute for horsepower."

Heavy bullets are typically not used in 308 Win/7.62 NATO because they don't have enough muzzle velocity in average length barrels to keep up with larger 30 cal cartridges. For instance, the 200 gr SMK over a max load of IMR 3031 gives an average velocity of 2410 fps from a 24 inch barrel. At 1000 yards, the drop on that bullet is bumping up against 470 inches with a 100 yard zero.

The same bullet over 59 gr of H4831 leaves a 24 inch 30-06 barrel at an average velocity of 2586 fps and hits 1000 yards at a point 70 inches higher with 100 fps more velocity.

So, to net it out, with heavier bullets, the 30-06 shoots flatter and faster.

Another factor you might note is that typically, 30-06 factory barrels have a 1:10 twist, while many 308 Win barrels have a 1:11 or 1:12 twist (the spec for the C1A1 calls for 1:12). With the slower twist, the longer (heavier) bullets may not stabilize and thus give lousy accuracy.

I used PointBlank for the ballistics info in this post.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

FALPhil, great reply. Thx.

Edit: So then, when it comes down to it, though a .30-06 case can efficiently propel a wide range of bullet weights, each rifle's twist rate will determine which of these bullet weights it will best stabilize.

If the .30-06 twist rate is 1in10 it will better stabilize the 180s, 200s, 220s than a 1in12 .308 would, but the .308 will do slightly better with the 110s, 125s and 150s.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

twofifty wrote:
Golfers carry a bag full of clubs, hunters carry but one.
Decisions, decisions.

Either one will reliably take all the game in North and South America. I would not feel under gunned at average hunting ranges with either. Think about this: the cartridge that has taken the most big game, including the big bears, in the US and Canada is probably the 30-30 Winchester, a piker compared to either the 308 Win or the 30-06.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

My "golf bag" consists of my .30-30 and my .30-06. When I go hunting I take both. That way depending which way I go I pick one for the day. Around here I take the .30-30 most of the time. This area (The Ozarks) is mostly dense oak forests with lots of ground cover and small meadows or parks. The locals call them "glades"...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

Bushmaster wrote:
.Around here I take the .30-30 most of the time.

I'm kind of partial to my 35 Rem these days. Since I quit hunting peanut fields, I cannot remember the last time I shot a deer at over 75 yards.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

Calling the bullet manufacture and asking what the optimal velocity of a particular bullet is might be a good idea.

Heavier bullets are typically designed for bigger cartridges.
( not to say they wouldn’t work )

My rule of thumb has always been, anything above the 150 grain bullet go with the 30-06 or 300 mag !!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

My personal preference is that I would take the .30-06 hands down in any and all hunting situations over the .308. The .06 just has more power then the .308 with any and all .30 cal bullets period.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 Reply with quote

Thought you were a .35 whalen in Marlin 1895 fan...

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