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stovepipe
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:23 am    Post subject: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Ya can't heat a home or business w/ sunlight....when it aint gettin' through 3' of ice and snow.

Yep- no lobbying there....

dailycaller.com/2011/0...ama-admin/

Epic FAIL.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Excess supply and price erosion DUH! Portland Or. whatdya expect. Not a lot of ice and snow but cloudy and rainy beyond what would be solar country. I questioned a guy selling solar water heaters at the fair and he said it's a pretty poor market here but he does get some buyers. Takes 30yrs+ for it to pay for itself, meantime you get a tiny tax break. So what! They ought to give em away in Arizona and New Mexico and Texas and Florida and other sunny states just to get things going, if they're so intent on doing it at all. Then they at least show progress. $535 million start-up loan.....good Lord...file bankruptcy....tax payers choke again.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

So just less than $500,000 per employee is a sound investment in jobs?
I guess socialists must use a different version of mathematics to the one I'm used to... Nuts
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

yip thats a pity they went bust. politics aside solar has alot going for it. 3' of ice and snow wont stop a 4'panel mounted verticaly from contributing something! if solar was compulsery on EVERY new building our power crisis would be less to use it for water heating alone saves a packet as here in NZ water is 50% or more of montly power use.lets hope the recievers sell company on to someone with enough brains/business sence to make it work.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

The NEW MATH - Pittsfield, the town next door to mine, is spending $10 million on a solar panel project that is estimated to save the town $2 million in electric power over the next 20 years.

The OLD math would say that this project will break even after 100 years. Those are some long-lasting solar panels.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

The eco-freaks want us to clean up the air and protect senic areas, but are willing to polute the landscape with solar panels and windmills They want to plaster the Mojave Desert with solar panels. Now that will be a senic sight.

Solar panels and windmills combined will not satisfy our needs for electricity. Sorry eco-freaks...You lose again.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Keeps getting better and better.....

dailycaller.com/2011/0...rn+worsens

What really blows my mind is how tightly Obammy is tied at the ankle to these snakes and how loudly he was tooting the solar horn and now?

*crickets chirping*

This in itself is enough to get this tard impeached. How do you sweep a .5 billion $ scam under the rug?

With a really big broom!

STUPID LIBERALS.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Gee...And after the Bush administration turned them down... Mad

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Right! And they were bad guys for doing it and the left still aint done broiling and blaming over it!

STUPID LIBERALS.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

There is one city, Blairsburg Iowa that has at least 75 or more windmills. I stopped in for lunch at a restaurant earlier this year and was talking to a few of the locals about the "wind farm" and they hate it. No surprise there because there are so many of them the noise of the spinning turbines is loud. They also told me that the conservation groups are fighting with the owners of the windfarms (an eco-friendly group) over the bird and waterfowl kills. It seems the designers had their head up their arse and put them to close together hence birds fly into the impellers and get whacked. Multi million dollar operation and nobody has a clue. Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

And Ominivision1...Just how much power are they generating from that farm? Enough to power..............What?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Bushy

After they finish it, the farm will generate 310.5 megawatts of power, which is enough to power over 100,000 homes. It is owned by a subsidiary of Mid-American Energy. Heres a link.

newfarm.rodaleinstitut...wind.shtml

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

If the wind is blowing....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

They got litterally hundreds all over the pam desert vallet and hills in the inland empire out here...either the wind aint blowing or they are down for repairs. They make jack for power too! Useless! Looks like crap too! And ya cant live near any of them. More land used up for stupid stuff!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... Reply with quote

Ominivision1 wrote:
After they finish it, the farm will generate 310.5 megawatts of power, which is enough to power over 100,000 homes.

That is plate capacity, ie what is on the plate of the generator assuming maximum safe operating temperature wind speeds etc.

In reality, just about every wind farm, be it in North America, Europe or Asia, has never produced above 5-10% of that number in any study they've come up with.

They stopped putting them up near my mothers area, cause they realized there was no way the project was going to ever produce enough energy to pay for itself after the first few were running. Till the Liberals here decided to start throwing millions of dollars their way to appear like they are "pro-Green". Rolling Eyes

Green power here, gets between 44 cents per kWh, up to 80 cents, if your putting it back on the grid, which is what the Governments Electrical Co will pay you for, but the market price for electricity is 4-5 cents, so its heavily subsidized, plus many larger operations have been hinted at getting over that amount for their "green" incentives.

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