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U.S going back to the .45 ACP?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

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It is what it is. Somebody in the Defense Department is asking for a price on 650,000 .45 ACP handguns. All the best...
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10 -- Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System

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Draft Request For Proposal for Industry Comment: Response Due 09/15/05 01 - Posted on Sep 02, 2005

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General Information


Document Type: Presolicitation Notice
Solicitation Number: H92222-05-R-0017
Posted Date: Aug 26, 2005
Original Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
Current Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
Original Archive Date: Nov 14, 2005
Current Archive Date: Nov 14, 2005
Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons
Naics Code: 332994 -- Small Arms Manufacturing

Contracting Office Address
Other Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill AFB, FL, 33621-5323
Description
The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP requirement. The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance of the solicitation. Two configurations of the pistol will be required. One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration will have an external safety. The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning Kit; and Operator's Manual. The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders. The contract period of performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an additional Five (5) years. The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration; 649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits; Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data. Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination. The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of 24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the closing date stated in the solicitation. The 24-each product sample from the successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each. Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and other than the highest technically rated offeror. Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors upon request and at the offeror's expense. The Government cannot guarantee the condition of the product samples after testing. All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by the agency. The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation. Notifications, Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS. Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at john.pfender @ navy.mil.
Point of Contact
Tina Lopez, Contract Specialist, Phone 813 828 7063, Fax 813 828 7504, Email lopezt @ socom.mil - Susan Griffin, Contracting Officer, Phone 813-828-7411, Fax 813-828-7504, Email griffi1 @ socom.mil



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You may return to Business Opportunities at:
ODA USSOCOM listed by [Posted Date]
ODA Agencywide listed by [Posted Date]


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

I hate to be the one to have to tell ya. Gil. But the military have never stopped using the venerable .45 ACP. US Navy, US Marines, US Army are still using this outstanding defence round, mostly in their respective "Special Forces". What I see in your post is a standard form to recontract for manufactures to submit samples for testing. I guess the USP's (I think that's their initials) aren't holding up as they should.

Yup...I was right...Heckler-Koch USP............... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

Thanks for the update. All the best...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

HK's it was and it's not that they were a total failure, it's just very expensive refurbishing i thought? Although what pistol they would contract other than the HK USP is what i'd like to see.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

And what's wrong with going back to the ol' Colt .45 ACP again???

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

The 1911A1 is my favorite and I read that some elite U.S. forces were using it. All the best...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with a 1911, although the lack of capacity is one of the reasons HK was saught after.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

Learn to shoot better...Besides more people can grip the single stacker anyway...The .45 ACP Colt was never meant to be the main battery firearm for the serviceman anyway. Just a backup for just in case and closein and personal combat...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

I totally agree with the learing to shoot better, as even people going for their CCW pass without the ability to hit the proverbial, broad side of a barn!
However, and in being a single stack is somewhat easier to grip for many (but not for my meat hooks Laughing ), you never know how many you will be defending yourself against. Therefor i tend favor a double stack over a single (although and even in a defensive situation, i never used more than 3).
And Militarily speaking....My dad was in the Korean war and would talk about his 1911, and how he wished back then he had the ability to carry +1 like the newer ones did.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

Those who demand hi-cap mags are mostly thowe who need them! If you cant do it in 7 rounds...use your M14!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

thowe? glad i shoot beter than I type!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

Don't worry Shooter 458...A "w" is just a sideways "s"...We all know that...Besides. I don't think we have any English teachers here anyway...Anyone gradin' for spellin' here??? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S going back to the .45 ACP? Reply with quote

Hey Bushmaster i did good in engrish.....but that wuz back when i wuz still in skoo... Very Happy

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10ring...Are you trying to get me to make a comment to you??? Isn't it past your bed time anyway??? I know how it is with you kids. Very Happy

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Talk about me.....i think it's time for your evening nap.:point: Razz And just to let you know Bushmaster, i'ts only about 9:20pm and i took my mid-afternoon nap at 3! Shocked I'm ready to go for the night so bring it on! Nananana Fencing

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