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45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:21 am    Post subject: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

Has anyone used 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP® Mag in there Muzzleloader for ELK?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

Sorry, joda. I unable to help. The only question I had when I looked into this large caliber pistol bullet was will it have enough penetration for an animal as large as an elk?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

no problem, I have seen articles of people using them for deer alot but not on Elk other than one or 2 statements. It is the Mag bullet instead of the normal xtp? From what i have seen there is no real difference between a muzzleloader bullet and a pistol bullet. I just dont want the bullet blowing up and losing the animal. I was thinking of it as a back up to my barnes 300 ez-expander. It is alot cheaper to shoot than the barnes bullet... I have a late December hunt for cow elk in AZ. I have a lot of Elk and a lot of snow the last 2 years i have gone.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

The bullets for muzzleload are kind of pricey. alot more than me reloading my own for my rifle. I just need SPeer to come out with a grandslam muzzleloader bullet
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

joda, if you are looking for something inexpensive to shoot, have you looked at laser cast bullets? They make a 300gr .452 one. I use their 405gr bullets for my .45-70. I believe the 300gr one would be good for hunting. The blunt nose bullets do well at creating a wound channel and don't break up so get good penetration. They won't have near as good a trajectory as the Barnes though.

laser-cast.com/45Cal.html

Also, don't they make sabots for .50-cals that will accommodate .45-70 (.458) bullets. They should be cheap and a plenty.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

joda23 wrote:
From what i have seen there is no real difference between a muzzleloader bullet and a pistol bullet.

The difference is in the bullet construction itself !!! (can't visually be seen)

The mag bullet was designed to operate at a greater velocity range therefore the expansion characteristics differ.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

ok, they are the same velocity ranges normally unless you are using 777 or blackthorn 209.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

Here's a link that shows a chart of the XTP's expansion ranges !!! XTP chart here

The red lines represent where the bullet is designed to expand. As you can see the non mag bullets shouldn't be used in applications where the impact velocity is above 1700fps.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

Good info there Chambered!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

thanks i saw that. I also saw on a few other Muzzlerload pages that poeple have been using them out beyond that. What I was kind of getting at is that 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP® Mag operational window and a Muzzleloader bullet window are the same for the most part. Great pistol bullets are for the most part great muzzlerload bullets.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

joda23 wrote:
Has anyone used 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP® Mag in there Muzzleloader for ELK?

I have used the 300grn .429" Hornady XTP bullet for elk out of my .50 cal Remington 700ML. They work fantastic! Zero recovered, all went in one side and out the other. Elk are BIG critters and can pack the lead.

The cow I shot with the above mentioned bullet. First hit was through the boiler room at 100 yards, it went 20 yards and went down. When I got over to it, it jumped up 30 yards away on wobbly legs and I put a 2nd one through the boiler room. She continued stumbling through the oak brush. I quickly reloaded and put a final round through her neck. AMAZING she went as far as she did with 2 huge holes through the engine room. Thats the way elk are though.



I shoot 120grns Pyrodex RS with the 300grn XTP. For deer I use the 240grn XTP over 90grns RS.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

My hunt is in 2 weeks and I was planning on using a Barnes 290 and 110 grains of Blackthorn 209. It puts me out of the muzzle around 2000 ft per sec
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

I was thinking of using 300grn XTP/Mag as a backup
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: 45 Cal .452 300 gr XTP Reply with quote

Nice ELK. i hope i get one.. They are tough I have seen one take a bullet through both lungs and spraying blood for a quarter of a mile before dropping
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