HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: smitty3855
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 12622

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 315
BOT: 2
Total: 317
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums
05: Forums
06: Forums
07: Photo Albums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Forums
11: Your Account
12: Your Account
13: Forums
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Forums
19: Your Account
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Forums
24: Your Account
25: Forums
26: Photo Albums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Your Account
32: Forums
33: Your Account
34: Statistics
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Forums
38: Photo Albums
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Your Account
42: Your Account
43: Photo Albums
44: Forums
45: Photo Albums
46: Forums
47: Photo Albums
48: Forums
49: Forums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Forums
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Forums
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Forums
61: Your Account
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Forums
65: Your Account
66: Forums
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Your Account
72: Photo Albums
73: Forums
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Your Account
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Your Account
81: Forums
82: Forums
83: Forums
84: Forums
85: Forums
86: Photo Albums
87: Forums
88: Forums
89: Your Account
90: Your Account
91: Forums
92: Your Account
93: Your Account
94: Photo Albums
95: Your Account
96: Forums
97: Forums
98: Forums
99: Your Account
100: Forums
101: Photo Albums
102: Photo Albums
103: Forums
104: Forums
105: Forums
106: Forums
107: Forums
108: Forums
109: Home
110: Forums
111: Forums
112: Forums
113: Forums
114: Photo Albums
115: Forums
116: Photo Albums
117: Forums
118: Forums
119: Forums
120: Your Account
121: Forums
122: Forums
123: Forums
124: Forums
125: Forums
126: Your Account
127: Photo Albums
128: Forums
129: Forums
130: Photo Albums
131: Forums
132: Forums
133: Forums
134: Forums
135: Your Account
136: Forums
137: Forums
138: Your Account
139: Forums
140: Photo Albums
141: Forums
142: Forums
143: Your Account
144: Forums
145: Forums
146: Forums
147: Forums
148: Forums
149: Forums
150: Forums
151: Forums
152: Forums
153: Your Account
154: Forums
155: Forums
156: Photo Albums
157: Your Account
158: Forums
159: Forums
160: Forums
161: Forums
162: Forums
163: Forums
164: Forums
165: Forums
166: Forums
167: Forums
168: Your Account
169: Forums
170: Your Account
171: Forums
172: Forums
173: Your Account
174: Forums
175: Forums
176: Your Account
177: Forums
178: Forums
179: Forums
180: Forums
181: Photo Albums
182: Photo Albums
183: Forums
184: Home
185: Forums
186: Photo Albums
187: Photo Albums
188: Forums
189: Forums
190: Your Account
191: Forums
192: Forums
193: Photo Albums
194: Forums
195: Photo Albums
196: Forums
197: Your Account
198: Forums
199: Forums
200: Forums
201: Forums
202: Forums
203: Forums
204: Photo Albums
205: Forums
206: Forums
207: Forums
208: Forums
209: Forums
210: Forums
211: Forums
212: Forums
213: Photo Albums
214: Forums
215: Your Account
216: Forums
217: Forums
218: Forums
219: Forums
220: Forums
221: Forums
222: Your Account
223: Forums
224: Forums
225: Forums
226: Your Account
227: Forums
228: Forums
229: Forums
230: Photo Albums
231: Forums
232: Your Account
233: Forums
234: Home
235: Forums
236: Photo Albums
237: Forums
238: Forums
239: Forums
240: Forums
241: Forums
242: Forums
243: Forums
244: Your Account
245: Your Account
246: Forums
247: Photo Albums
248: Forums
249: Your Account
250: Forums
251: Photo Albums
252: Forums
253: Forums
254: Forums
255: Forums
256: Forums
257: Forums
258: Forums
259: Forums
260: Forums
261: Forums
262: Forums
263: Forums
264: Forums
265: Forums
266: Forums
267: Forums
268: Forums
269: Forums
270: Photo Albums
271: Forums
272: Photo Albums
273: Your Account
274: Forums
275: Forums
276: Forums
277: Forums
278: Forums
279: Your Account
280: Your Account
281: Forums
282: Your Account
283: Forums
284: Forums
285: Forums
286: Forums
287: Forums
288: Forums
289: Forums
290: Forums
291: Forums
292: Forums
293: Forums
294: Forums
295: Forums
296: Forums
297: Forums
298: Forums
299: Forums
300: Forums
301: Forums
302: Your Account
303: Your Account
304: Forums
305: Forums
306: Your Account
307: Forums
308: Forums
309: Forums
310: Forums
311: Forums
312: Your Account
313: Forums
314: Forums
315: Forums
  BOT:
01: Forums
02: Your Account

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 305
 Pictures: 2361
  · Views: 441794
  · Votes: 1310
  · Comments: 86
 

Support our Advertisers

New brass........
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: New brass........ Reply with quote

Just got 200 new Remington cases. (.44 mag.) FINALLY. Confused

I read somewhere they should be tumbled first to soot or smudge them so they don't stick in carbide dies?

I'm wondering if there is any special prep steps I need to take to avoid issues in the press....or just measure, trim (if nec) and load?

I've always used once fired or range dropping's so.... this is new (get it?) ground for me. I plan on using these for my bench-rest/taget loads only...

Thought's, suggestions, cirtique (PADRE Razz ) ?
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 4489
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

I always size new brass in my dies so I know that I'll be at the same "starting point" as my reloads will be later. I've never had to clean them first, using carbide or Ti nitride dies. Then trim all to the same length.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anyone else, and there ain't no one better than me!" Ma Kettle

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

Interesting.

I was curious if I should size first, trim then load, fire etc.

Or just check for lentgh, trim if nec., load, fire etc...

Maybe I'm over thinking it, don't wanna mess up my new brass, took long enough to get them.... Confused
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 13633
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

Stoves wrote:
Maybe I'm over thinking it, don't wanna mess up my new brass, took long enough to get them.... :confused:

No Stoves...you ain't over thinkin' it mate....just bein' careful...nothing wrong with that...quite the opposite.

Like Punkin, I have never cleaned cases before sizing them....but it behoves you to check them just to make sure there is no grit, crap or corruption etc on them that will mark them during the sizing process. Will also give you the opportunity to check the flash holes for uniformity etc as well.

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)


Last edited by Vince on Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
gelandangan
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 07, 2006
Posts: 5871
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

Chamfer the neck before first use and after every trimming.

_________________
A straight line is the shortest distance between two points.
A smile is the shortest distance between two people.

The government I trust .. is my .45-70 Government.

Do - Not try!


gelandangan.weebly.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Grumulkin
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Apr 16, 2007
Posts: 365
Location: Central Ohio

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

stovepipe wrote:
Just got 200 new Remington cases. (.44 mag.) FINALLY. Confused

I read somewhere they should be tumbled first to soot or smudge them so they don't stick in carbide dies?

I'm wondering if there is any special prep steps I need to take to avoid issues in the press....or just measure, trim (if nec) and load?

I've always used once fired or range dropping's so.... this is new (get it?) ground for me. I plan on using these for my bench-rest/taget loads only...

Thought's, suggestions, cirtique (PADRE Razz ) ?

When you shoot them, they'll be smudged; not that they'll stick if they not smudged. If they're new, why are you running them into your die anyway?

Since I started reloading in the 1960s, I've NEVER resized or trimmed new brass with one exception. That exception was for a 460 S&W Magnum revolver because the recoil was such that it needed a heavy crimp and the case mouths had to be tight or the bullets would move out of the cases. Since you're making "bench-rest/target loads" I would assume you're shooting a single shot 44 Mag. I don't crimp for single shots.

I just finished reloading over 100 45 Colt cartridges with cast bullets and new brass. Guess what? I didn't resize, I didn't chamfer, I didn't bell case mouths or anything. I just primed and loaded. I will admit though that chamfering depends on the brass and the bullet; quite a bit of new brass needs to be chamfered to ease bullet seating.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
SingleShotLover
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 26, 2007
Posts: 971
Location: Illinois

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

I've always made it a habit to size new brass in any caliber. Bulk brass often gets banged around a little and the case mouths sometimes aren't quite true.

_________________
If you can't hit it with one, you probably can't with two either!

The biggest problem with a closed mind is that it never seems to come with a closed mouth.

SSL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

stovepipe wrote:

I read somewhere they should be tumbled first to soot or smudge them so they don't stick in carbide dies?


Never heard or read this one !!!

Quote::
I was curious if I should size first, trim then load, fire etc.


Always size before trimming, cases have a tendency to grow when sized, especially rifle cartridges.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

Vince: copy and thanks mate. I don't like leaving things to chance when rolling my own!

Glenn: good advice on chamfering new brass. Got a Forster tool for trimmed brass. I should also check for square too....

Gruml: my charge die has a flaring insert. These will also be run through a new LEE Factory Cimp die and get a heavy crimp. Same post-sizes them etc... Using them in a Ruger SBH. It's a heavy beast and my hold sucks as I shake a lot, and, for ranges over 50y I rest the gun or I can't hit anything. Good notes and thanks!

SS: thanks!

221: I can't remember where I read this so....who know's, the mind plays tricks etc. Copy on the post size triming. Thank you sir!

*

I really enjoy this forum. There's a lot of good knowladge and POV's here and it's nice to be able to tap into it. I'm never above learning something new.

Thanks for your input, gentlemen, very much! Cool

-kevin.
Back to top
View user's profile
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

I know this may start an argument because of my past posting on the subject but..............
If your looking for the utmost accuracy I’m not so sure you want to run a Lee FCD !!!
My reasoning for using them in my autos differ greatly to my believes.
Because of their ability to post size, possibly altering the bullets shape I believe it to possibly have an negative affect to the outcome.
My suggestion is to experiment with it and with a regular roll crimp (especially when using lead) and see who wins !!!

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

I think the post-sizer prevents buckling and 'smooths' the case to a degree...if it was tight enough to alter the bullet it would buckle during insertion, no? I've yet to try mine so.....

But I'll make sure and measure/verify and get back to ya....I don't plan on using it on my lead rounds, just jacketed.

P/s- This aint no slide-gun. Confused :lol:...this is for a revolver, and, I need a heavy ROLL crimp for the full power stuff.... the seat/crimp die put a nice little roll on it, but, it aint enough for full power stuff as the die is not shouldered and does not support the case enough to really getta heavy crimp.
Back to top
View user's profile
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3455
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

If everything is set-up and done correctly you will not get any buckling.

With cases trimmed to the same length set your seating die to cover most of the cannulure without crimping, then in a separate stage start laying the crimp in to your desired amount. Buckling will start when you try to crimp past the cannulure.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:
If everything is set-up and done correctly you will not get any buckling.

With cases trimmed to the same length set your seating die to cover most of the cannulure without crimping, then in a separate stage start laying the crimp in to your desired amount. Buckling will start when you try to crimp past the cannulure.

Yeh, yeh yeh.... I know. Laughing
I've buckled a couple odd-lentgh ones doing mixed brass on my Pro 1000 trying to get too heavy a crimp.

I like crimping HP's in a seperate step w/o the seating die. Plated bullets one a one step deal, no HP to go squish.

I've never treid the LFCD so I thought I'd give it a whirl on my single-stage stuff. Just comparing it to the standard 3rd seat/crimp die it is a whole different deal. If it works as advertised great, if not, eh- no big.

Can't learn or try out enough stuff with reloading IMHO. It's a very interesting activity for me. Cool
Back to top
View user's profile
wiersy111
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 13, 2009
Posts: 2348
Location: Central Minnesota

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

I have always trimmed new cases, and de-bured them after trimming.This ensures all the cases are the same length and all the necks are in good shape. If there are any cases that were damaged in shipping you will see them. The uniform lengths help with accuracy. Maybe it isn't necessary but I have never had any problems with new brass.

_________________
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America " for an amount of "up to and including my life."

US ARMY RETIRED

The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.

Being "Over the Hill" is much better then being under it!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: New brass........ Reply with quote

Sat down Saturday and started inspecting one of the bags.

Approx 20 or so were short on one side a couple or 3 thou. so they'll need to be trimmed to square up the mouth.

The rest were pretty close but it looks like I'll have 2 sets of new brass to start with. Oh well.

Also found two mouth's slightly "D'd" from getting mushed. They're probably saveable with a trip through the flare die so...

Big ol bags of new brass is cool..... Cool
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition
Page 1 of 6
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.